I never agreed to this...and never would.

Based on your write up of what she is famous for....she doesn't even come close to being a modern Marilyn ... that just insults Marilyn

No.
Artificial superficial bimbo. I see no depth in it.

Marilyn was a sex symbol. Kim is a sex symbol.
Marilyn was the most famous woman in the world at the time. Kim is the most famous woman in the world right now.
Marilyn was insanely famous for her look. Kim is insanely famous for her look.
Marilyn was a role model for the youth of her day. Kim is a role model for the youth of today.
Marilyn had an extensive career with modelling, acting and singing under her belt. Kim has an extensive career with modelling, reality TV, fashion designing etc.
Marilyn was a pop culture phenomenon. Kim is a pop culture phenomenon.

And they both could have been/can be the First Lady of the United States of America!

Still better than Farrah Abraham

All those things that Marilyn is... I would argue none are what Kim is. Marilyn is just on a higher plane...end of. But I am not going to argue with you about them... you are from a generation where talent means something different to you then it's actually definition.

My answer to the OP remains NO

Yes she's an icon

The only thing that separates Marilyn and Kim is that Kim hasn't slept with a married president

That'll change when Kanye wins Presidency in 2020!

Kim has way more class and would never.

I don't like the Kardashians they're just not for me, and neither is their TV Shows.

However I'd never begrudge them success as I don't know them well enough to be personally involved like that.

The BIB is pushing it.:laugh:

To be A-list celebs most of the world needs to know who you are, not just America and a few die hard Reality TV fans from other countries.:joker:

She's definitely A-list

Disgusting fat arse chav No

She is famous amid the lumpen proles

Or among people who don't use phrases like "lumpenprole"

Say what you want about her but she's a smart businesswoman and knows exactly how to get media attention, there's a reason she's been relevant for years now (plus she snatched Paris :sorry: )

Lol. The media exploit her. She has zero control

80+ million Instagram followers is A List.

I don't like her, but I think she deserves due credit for making such a huge empire from being Paris Hilton's closet organizer and the daughter of some guy who got a Murderer found innocent.

I don't think she's anything special and the stars of KUWTK are Kris and Khloe not Kim and I disagree that she's a good role model for young girls, if she had grown from the beginnings morally and found a talent that can't be accredited to somebody else then I'd feel different but she hasn't.

Famous sure why not? She seems like a great, savvy businesswoman.

As famous as she is for doing what she does over others? No.

Hasnt she been accused multiple times of buying some of those?

The media is the main reason for her fame and she knows exactly how to exploit it

I know nothing about her but it seems her surname is in vogue these days , i have no idea why and the only thing i've gleaned about her is she has a huge fake arse :joker:

For me personally no, and only because most of what is she was famous for is being fabricated and pure marketing (aside from her sex tape). Her home life on her reality show is scripted and there's dozens of those shows on TV right now. She's famous for being media savvy and hanging around the right crowds, timing her appearances and photos... some fame due there I guess.

Paris Hilton was famous for being on one of the first shows of it's kind where she left her roots to go live in a small town and provide comedy. Both her and Nicole were genuinely funny (though trashy as hell). That makes for a little more of a backstory than "I like to tweet everything I do, hang out with Kanye and look nice". I don't know how I will explain Kim to my kids :laugh:

But... given how lackluster our mainstream has been in the past 10-15 years comparatively speaking to other generations, it's understandable why she is noteworthy. Few acts have compared in recent years, even genuinely talented people... so I guess in that respect, she deserves her fame, but I don't necessarily have her high on my list for doing anything noteworthy... I'm more interested in why she's famous than in her actual famous.

We live in an era anyway where we follow people on Twitter and IG for really base reasons... they're not necessarily relevant, it's probably all a farce, but yet they're still interesting to us (like BB housemates :laugh:)

kardashian women where brought up in the rich LA plastic fame culture, one thing that gets on my nerves is that why do teenage girls and young women idolise these pair of nasty brats, no guy in there right mind would date women with there personalities, I loved that south park episode with butter's mom killing them with a shotgun,