Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9210577)

'My' Islamist ?

What made me bring that up was, you appear all too ready to support this town ban to only allow in white Christians and yet you yourself are Jewish. You of all people know what people suffered in the holocaust and how your people were so ruthlessly and needlessly persecuted and yet you think its okay to do the same to others?

Regardless of all the Jews that live in Hungary, this town clearly doesn't want them living there and neither does it want mixed race people like myself or black people like some of my family members.

Racism is abhorrent no matter what form it comes in and the comments on these boards of late appear to be suspiciously far right.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9210584)

The actions of Saudi are being used to justify, or lessen, the same actions of these Hungarian Neo-Nazis. It's also quite obviously untrue that "no one ever says anything about it" when it comes to Saudi, or the comparison wouldn't be so quickly drawn in the first place.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9210583)

Blatant insults such as the above, that you quite often use, are not the tools of the intelligent. I think you like to over-estimate your own intellectual capacity somewhat.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9210587)

The actions of the Saudies are being used as a comparison. No one is justifying anyting, no matter which way you try to spin it.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9210588)

They may not be intelligent, but they're at least more honest than the hilariously thinly-veiled "covert" attempts made by others, I would say. Can't think where I last saw one of those.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9210590)

If it wasn't being used as a justification then it has absolutely no bearing, at all, on the rights or wrongs of this Hungarian village. So would be completely irrelevant to the thread.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9210585)

Your Islamists. It's a turn of phrase. You must have heard it before.

You brought up the Jewish community simply because I am a Jew. How tactless of you. And I am not supporting these racists, I am saying... and I'll reapeat it in plain English... if you're going to insist people change their culture, you need to make sure they're okay with it before you foist change on them or this Right turn will happen. I never said I supported it. You have to try to stop pigeon-holing peole from a few lines on a Big Brother forum.

So thanks for the Jewish comparison, it was very... expected.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9210595)

Hold on, mentioning the Jewish community is tactless because you yourself are Jewish?

That makes no sense.

What do we know of the advocates of the far right in Hungary, do they include the Jewish community or are they seen as alien too? I think that is the point raised.
How can it be seen as anything positive by yourself if it potentially affects those from your own faith that may once again be viewed as alien.

Personally any far right collaborations and concentrations in any given geographical area would terrify me.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9210595)

Hold on, mentioning the Jewish community is tactless because you yourself are Jewish?

That makes no sense.

What do we know of the advocates of the far right in Hungary, do they include the Jewish community or are they seen as alien too? I think that is the point raised.
How can it be seen as anything positive by yourself if it potentially affects those from your own faith that may once again be viewed as alien.

Personally any far right collaborations and concentrations in any given geographical area would terrify me.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9210601)

As would any far left collaborations/concentrations anywhere terrify many. Dictatorships of any kind are not acceptable and should not be tolerated.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9210604)

Kizzy's worried about the far Right.

You can't mention the far Left though, or you she'll ask you not to delve into the realm of hypotheticals.

Great debate....

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9210603)

If we could stick to the one in discussion for now and not delve into the realms of hypotheticals... thanks.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9210604)

Kizzy's worried about the far Right.

You can't mention the far Left though, or you she'll ask you not to delve into the realm of hypotheticals.

Great debate....

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9210608)

Fine you drag it as far into fantasy as you like just don't expect me to follow the straw man dorothy.... :laugh:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9210617)

Put down the handbags ladies and stop getting personal/insulting eachother :nono:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9210618)

Niamh... we both used :laugh: !!

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9210617)

Put down the handbags ladies and stop getting personal/insulting eachother :nono:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9210620)

:fist:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9210585)

Your Islamists. It's a turn of phrase. You must have heard it before.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9210633)

No I haven't heard it before. What does it mean?

Why tactless? As a none white person I find the leaders of that town abhorrent and frightening. You are a Jew so why don't you find such a thing abhorrent and frightening too?



I lived in Hackney knowing that my Orthodox Jewish neighbours wanted nothing to do with me. I accepted the way they practised their culture which was very different to mine. The Jewish people of Hackney don't insist on people changing their culture to be more fitting with their own and so they didn't need to approach their borough council to check that would be ok!

I also lived just off Mile End Rd and although my Muslim neighbours were cordial with me, I had to accept that their culture was very different to my own. Just like the Jews, the Muslim people of Mile End Rd don't insist on people changing their culture to be more fitting with their own and so they don't need to approach their borough council and check if that's ok.

I find it strange that in large mixed communities we all seem to just get on with things and yet when I visit relatives in Harrogate which has a majority white Christian community, I meet racists by the dozen.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9210634)

You don't respond to extremism with radicalisation, it's rather terrifying that we live in one of the most progressive countries in the world yet there are people who would gladly slide back to the dark ages in order to be petty.

If you want the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face than look no further than this thread.