[Cherie]

Anti-Islam Hungarian village says white nationalists from across Europe are welcome
The village of Asotthalom has banned Muslim clothing, the call to prayer and 'gay propaganda'.
Tom Porter By Tom Porter
February 7, 2017 15:32 GMT
Updated 7 hr ago

ungarian soldiers control the metal fence-saved border line at Asotthalom border station of the Hungarian-Serbian border on February 24, 2016.
Hungarian soldiers control the metal fence-saved border line at Asotthalom border station of the Hungarian-Serbian border on February 24, 2016.Getty Images
A village in Hungary that has banned Muslim dress and "homosexual propaganda" aims attract white nationalists from throughout Europe.

The town of Asotthalom is located in a remote part of southern Hungary near the Serbian border, and in November announced it was banning mosque construction, the use of a muezzin at prayer times and the wearing of clothes such as the niqab.

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Echoing the language of Russian president and far-right icon Vladimir Putin, the community also announced a ban on "homosexual propaganda."

Now town mayor Laszlo Toroczkai has said the town hopes to attract other Christian Europeans opposed to multiculturalism.

"We primarily welcome people from western Europe - people who wouldn't like to live in a multicultural society," Toroczkai, who is also a deputy leader of the far right Jobbik party, told the BBC. "We wouldn't like to attract Muslims to the village."

"It's very important for the village to preserve its traditions. If large numbers of Muslims arrived here, they would not be able to integrate into the Christian community.

"We can see large Muslim communities in western Europe that haven't been able to integrate – and we don't want to have the same experience here," he says. "I'd like Europe to belong to Europeans, Asia to belong to Asians and Africa to belong to Africans. Simple as that."

Knights Templar International, a white nationalist organisation which counts as members former BNP boss Nick Griffin and former treasurer Jim Dowson, reportedly has close ties to Toroczkai, and has exorted sympathisers to settle in Hungary.

Europe has seen a surge of support for far right parties since the 2015 refugee crisis, in which millions of Middle Eastern and African refugees entered Europe, many passing through Hungary on their way to Germany and northern European countries with open asylum policies.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has adopted a staunchly anti-immigrant stance, building a fence along the border with Serbia to keep refugees out and refusing to take the country's EU quota of those granted asylum. On Tuesday (7 February), Orban announced plans to hold refugees in camps until their asylum applications are processed.

Toroczkai previously released a video where, surrounded by burly men dressed in camouflage, he warned refugees not to attempt to enter Hungary. The town has reportedly set up its own paramilitary style border patrols to complement to government patrols along the border fence.

The Hungarian Islamic Community said in November that that a letter appealing to Orban to take action against Asotthalom and uphold the rights of Hungarian Muslims went unanswered. Lawyers claim the controversial by-laws contravene the Hungarian constitution, and the government is due to rule on them in mid-February.

But for now, Mr Toroczkai said the town would remain "white, European, Christian."

[Jack_]

Who's gonna make the joke first then lads

[MB.]

Bet this is all that bloody EU's fault somehow

[user104658]

I think I just heard someone reading this and having an orgasm.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Livia]

It's quite like what the Saudis do, isn't it.

Although they're allowed to speak freely about their racism, anti-Semitism, misogyny and homophobia. I mean, that's their culture, isn't it. It's only Western countries who can have their culture diluted and can't speak out or they're accused of all kinds of stuff. And what happens when people aren't allowed to protect their own culture and watch people give it away? The Hard Right sweep in and look like a solution.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

But for now, Mr Toroczkai said the town would remain "white, European, Christian."

So no Jewish people either?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So no Jewish people either?

Most of the Holocaust survivors alive today are Hungarian. There's a large Jewish population in Hungary, although they're not committing terrorist attrocities across the world so aren't quite in the same league as your Islamist.

I wonder what made you bring that up...? Like it wasn't obvious.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's quite like what the Saudis do, isn't it.

Although they're allowed to speak freely about their racism, anti-Semitism, misogyny and homophobia. I mean, that's their culture, isn't it. It's only Western countries who can have their culture diluted and can't speak out or they're accused of all kinds of stuff. And what happens when people aren't allowed to protect their own culture and watch people give it away? The Hard Right sweep in and look like a solution.

That's a good point.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's quite like what the Saudis do, isn't it.

Although they're allowed to speak freely about their racism, anti-Semitism, misogyny and homophobia. I mean, that's their culture, isn't it. It's only Western countries who can have their culture diluted and can't speak out or they're accused of all kinds of stuff. And what happens when people aren't allowed to protect their own culture and watch people give it away? The Hard Right sweep in and look like a solution.

The Saudis shouldn't be doing it either, obviously, but that doesn't translate to:

"Well the Saudis get to do it so why shouldn't we all do it!"

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The Saudis shouldn't be doing it either, obviously, but that doesn't translate to:

"Well the Saudis get to do it so why shouldn't we all do it!"

No one's outraged about it or there would be a thread.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one's outraged about it or there would be a thread.

Because it's not new information, that's always happened there, what's happening now, is more "progressive" societies are starting to go backwards and that is more scary than anything imo Lets all becomes hostile people haters yay

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The Saudis shouldn't be doing it either, obviously, but that doesn't translate to:

"Well the Saudis get to do it so why shouldn't we all do it!"

So to translate - one rule for one and another for everyone else.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because it's not new information, that's always happened there, what's happening now, is more "progressive" societies are starting to go backwards and that is more scary than anything imo Lets all becomes hostile people haters yay

Eastern Europe has quite a history of bigotry. It's not a new thing.

I believe that the West has had a change of culture foisted upon them and that's why this is happpening. I have never for one minute suggested it's anything but a bad thing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because it's not new information, that's always happened there, what's happening now, is more "progressive" societies are starting to go backwards and that is more scary than anything imo Lets all becomes hostile people haters yay

The point is that people's concerns are not being listened to and that is why we are regressing, school places, social care, NHS wait lists, housing, transport, it is all becoming a huge mess, pay rises are a thing of the past, job security is a thing of the past, if the politicians addressed the situation rather than crying "racist" at every turn, we might not be brexiting or be dealing with Trump

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So to translate - one rule for one and another for everyone else.

That wasn't my point at all. My point was;

"Bob kicks cats.
Bob has big friends so no one can stop him doing what he wants.
It's not OK that Bob kicks cats.
Ted sees Bob kicking a cat.
Ted SHOULD NOT decide that it is now OK for him to kick cats, just because he has seen Bob kicking cats and getting away with it."


I fear that this probably still isn't simple enough though. It's called an allegory, and I am not suggesting that this hungarian village is populated by cats. Just to be clear. I know it gets confusing.

[Livia]

Thank you TS, for demonstrating categorically why Serious Debates is no longer a fun place to spend time.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The Saudis shouldn't be doing it either, obviously, but that doesn't translate to:

"Well the Saudis get to do it so why shouldn't we all do it!"

It couldn't have been our obsession with imperialism in the 1950s that helped shape Saudi today?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

Most of the Holocaust survivors alive today are Hungarian. There's a large Jewish population in Hungary, although they're not committing terrorist attrocities across the world so aren't quite in the same league as your Islamist.

I wonder what made you bring that up...? Like it wasn't obvious.

'My' Islamist ?

What made me bring that up was, you appear all too ready to support this town ban to only allow in white Christians and yet you yourself are Jewish. You of all people know what people suffered in the holocaust and how your people were so ruthlessly and needlessly persecuted and yet you think its okay to do the same to others?

Regardless of all the Jews that live in Hungary, this town clearly doesn't want them living there and neither does it want mixed race people like myself or black people like some of my family members.

Racism is abhorrent no matter what form it comes in and the comments on these boards of late appear to be suspiciously far right.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ironically, you're nowhere near intelligent enough to start trying to accurately "translate" my posts into dumbed-down bites.

That wasn't my point at all. My point was;

"Bob kicks cats.
Bob has big friends so no one can stop him doing what he wants.
It's not OK that Bob kicks cats.
Ted sees Bob kicking a cat.
Ted SHOULD NOT decide that it is now OK for him to kick cats, just because he has seen Bob kicking cats and getting away with it."


I fear that this probably still isn't simple enough though. It's called an allegory, and I am not suggesting that this hungarian village is populated by cats. Just to be clear. I know it gets confusing.

I took a different angle, the point I took from it is that they do it, but nobody EVER says anything about it, its not that we want to do the same or be the same because we don't, it's just ignored and accepted because that is "what they do", the attitude is "it's their culture innit" or GB caused it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That's a good point.

Hang on, you're Irish you can't comment on cultures being deposed if the English are the ones doing the deposing.

Not that British culture is under threat in any way, racism is not a quaint English cultural norm.....Oh, wait :/

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The Saudis shouldn't be doing it either, obviously, but that doesn't translate to:

"Well the Saudis get to do it so why shouldn't we all do it!"

Exactly, two wrongs do not make a right

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ironically, you're nowhere near intelligent enough to start trying to accurately "translate" my posts into dumbed-down bites.

That wasn't my point at all. My point was;

"Bob kicks cats.
Bob has big friends so no one can stop him doing what he wants.
It's not OK that Bob kicks cats.
Ted sees Bob kicking a cat.
Ted SHOULD NOT decide that it is now OK for him to kick cats, just because he has seen Bob kicking cats and getting away with it."


I fear that this probably still isn't simple enough though. It's called an allegory, and I am not suggesting that this hungarian village is populated by cats. Just to be clear. I know it gets confusing.

Blatant insults such as the above, that you quite often use, are not the tools of the intelligent. I think you like to over-estimate your own intellectual capacity somewhat.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I took a different angle, the point I took from it is that they do it, but nobody EVER says anything about it, its not that we want to do the same or be the same because we don't, it's just ignored and accepted because that is "what they do", the attitude is "it's their culture innit" or GB caused it

The actions of Saudi are being used to justify, or lessen, the same actions of these Hungarian Neo-Nazis. It's also quite obviously untrue that "no one ever says anything about it" when it comes to Saudi, or the comparison wouldn't be so quickly drawn in the first place.