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DemolitionRed 20-08-2017 03:55 PM

What Prof Minford says

But Prof Minford said: “’Hard Brexit’ is good for the UK economically while ‘soft Brexit’ leaves us as badly off as before. ‘Hard’ is economically much superior to ‘soft’.

“Backers of ‘Soft Brexit’ say it would preserve jobs, but what they really mean is that it would preserve existing jobs by stopping competition from home and abroad.

“As every schoolboy knows and every politician ought to know, this aborting of competition reduces jobs in the long run.

“Competition increases productivity and so employment because higher wages paid for by higher productivity makes work more attractive.

“Competition also increases our general welfare because we are producing more.

What the critics say

Commenting on behalf of the Open Britain campaign group for close ties with the EU, Labour MP Alison McGovern said: “All anyone needs to know about this absurd plan is that its own author admits it would ‘mostly eliminate manufacturing’ in the UK.

“Unilaterally scrapping our tariffs without achieving similar reductions in the tariff rates of other countries would see Britain swamped with imports, leaving our manufacturers and farmers unable to compete.

“The levels of bankruptcy and unemployment, especially in industry and agriculture, would sky-rocket.

“This is a project of economic suicide, not prosperity. No responsible government would touch this report with a barge pole as a source of ideas for our future trade policy.”

Prof Minford put forward his ideas in the run-up to June 2016’s EU referendum, although he admitted in a column for the Sun: “Over time, if we left the EU, it seems likely that we would mostly eliminate manufacturing, leaving mainly industries such as design, marketing and hi-tech. But this shouldn’t scare us.”

What economists think will happen to your spending power, your job and your house price while Brexit is negotiated

DemolitionRed 20-08-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9569746)
You constantly keep implying you know best - It is an opinion nothing more.

The difference in opinions between the experts demonstrates that no-one knows anything as fact and that all 'forecasts' are based on the 'opinions' of the experts. No-one can say with any certainty that one group of experts know better than the other - as usual it comes down to opinions not facts.

Please quit the playground tactics - you are wasting your time.

Then why not put a question mark at the end of the title. Your header implies its factual, not speculative.

Kizzy 20-08-2017 11:14 PM

Hard brexit isn't scary.....tory brexit is scary.

Brillopad 21-08-2017 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9572180)
Hard brexit isn't scary.....tory brexit is scary.

You were anti-Brexit fullstop, especially a hard Brexit. Now you are changing your stance knowing that Corbyn's Brexit will be a hard one. How convenient.

Your 'principles' change to suit! You support a hard left politician just admit it.

Kizzy 21-08-2017 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9572811)
You were anti-Brexit fullstop, especially a hard Brexit. Now you are changing your stance knowing that Corbyn's Brexit will be a hard one. How convenient.

Your 'principles' change to suit! You support a hard left politician just admit it.

I was anti brexit, know what changed my mind? TTIP. I feel tory brexit will be TTIP on acid. Hard or soft was never my issue, my focus was on maintaining rights, protections and standards.

I support a politician who has vowed to do that, not sure why you are so affronted by this.
Maybe I should just be as steadfastly blinkered as yourself? god forbid you rethink your opinion on anything :laugh:

Brillopad 21-08-2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9572860)
I was anti brexit, know what changed my mind? TTIP. I feel tory brexit will be TTIP on acid. Hard or soft was never my issue, my focus was on maintaining rights, protections and standards.

I support a politician who has vowed to do that, not sure why you are so affronted by this.
Maybe I should just be as steadfastly blinkered as yourself? god forbid you rethink your opinion on anything :laugh:

There's nothing wrong with someone changing their opinion, it's the reason why that counts. It just comes across as more of a forced decision rather than one that is in keeping with your expressed views.

Kizzy 21-08-2017 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9572967)
There's nothing wrong with someone changing their opinion, it's the reason why that counts. It just comes across as more of a forced decision rather than one that is in keeping with your expressed views.

Are you stalking me?...

I just gave you a reason, and they correspond directly to my expressed views...
My explicit concern from the off was civil rights and protections.

Brillopad 21-08-2017 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9573000)
Are you stalking me?...

I just gave you a reason, and they correspond directly to my expressed views...
My explicit concern from the off was civil rights and protections.

Just responding to your post. Don't know where the stalking comment comes from. :puzzled:

Kizzy 21-08-2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9573032)
Just responding to your post. Don't know where the stalking comment comes from. :puzzled:

I gave you a valid response to your query and you are still challenging my views on the subject, I'm wondering what the issue is?

Brillopad 21-08-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9573044)
I gave you a valid response to your query and you are still challenging my views on the subject, I'm wondering what the issue is?

I'm not challenging them. I've said my piece. There is no issue.

Brillopad 23-08-2017 08:03 AM

The EU has failed in its attempted enforcement of mass migration into Europe
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...a-Merkel-Italy

What happens next I wonder. Even Macron has been forced to eat his words.

jaxie 23-08-2017 08:09 AM

I think that was clear almost from the beginning. What worries me is what is happening to all these people being deported to Turkey. The president of Turkey is easing his way into a dictatorship and is a dodgy guy. The EU just seem to want to get rid of the refugee s now and don't seem to feel any moral responsibility toeards them. I suspect a scandal is coming re the fate of these people being deported.

And why aren't they doing more to support the countries where migrants are crossing into Europe. This is Merkel's cock up, she told them all to come but nothing is being done for the countries having to deal with the brunt of numbers.

Brillopad 23-08-2017 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9579707)
I think that was clear almost from the beginning. What worries me is what is happening to all these people being deported to Turkey. The president of Turkey is easing his way into a dictatorship and is a dodgy guy. The EU just seem to want to get rid of the refugee s now and don't seem to feel any moral responsibility toeards them. I suspect a scandal is coming re the fate of these people being deported.

And why aren't they doing more to support the countries where migrants are crossing into Europe. This is Merkel's cock up, she told them all to come but nothing is being done for the countries having to deal with the brunt of numbers.

There is an election coming up in Germany - lets hope they finally get rid of her. She has caused chaos in Europe with poorly thought through policies that have had a negative impact on so many.

Oliver_W 23-08-2017 08:40 AM

The borders should have been fully defended from the beginning tbh

Toy Soldier 23-08-2017 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 9579740)
The borders should have been fully defended from the beginning tbh

The beginning of time? :worry:

Oliver_W 23-08-2017 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9579746)
The beginning of time? :worry:

The beginning of the migrant crisis.

Brillopad 27-08-2017 10:57 AM

EU threatens to stop aid if countries do not sent migrants home
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-Mediterranean

Finally! Refugee status is being abused - we all know it. Economic migrants need to return to their own countries and it now has to be enforced as things cannot go on as they are. We can all sympathise with the plight of these people but there have to be other ways to address this.

Every Western country and Government, including France and Canada who previously seemed more open to the idea, has had enough of the sheer numbers involved.

Northern Monkey 27-08-2017 11:27 AM

Only about a year too late.The EU has handled this terribly.Especially Merkel.

Brillopad 27-08-2017 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9592176)
Only about a year too late.The EU has handled this terribly.Especially Merkel.

They have. Merkel created this mess and she should pay for it with her job. Bumbling incomepetent woman who gave little thought to the impact it would have on others.

Oliver_W 27-08-2017 12:35 PM

The migrant crisis should never have been allowed to get to the point it has. Gotta feel sorry for women and children living in Germany, Austria, and France :/

Brillopad 28-08-2017 11:22 PM

EU ban on powerful vacuum cleaners
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/846...it-news-latest

Don't know about anyone else but this is the first I have heard about this!:shocked:

I can't understand why there hasn't been more publicity about it! Stupid,stupid, stupid.

What about those with dust allergies and asthma? Absolute madness.

I currently have 2 dysons but now feel I should stock up for the future!

RileyH 28-08-2017 11:28 PM

they're banning hoovers?

DemolitionRed 29-08-2017 06:24 AM

Power isn't the same as efficiency. All these new battery operated hoovers work on low energy but high efficiency so they won't be affected. Neither will any of the Dyson hoovers because none of them produce more than 1,600 watts. Before we all rush out and buy an about to be banned powerful vacuum cleaner, keep in mind that suction power is all in the design and not in the power.

Toy Soldier 29-08-2017 07:01 AM

:worry: I'm off to check the power rating on my precious Henry. They can't take him they just can't! I'll Brexit the CRAP out of this town before I let those goddang EU bureaucrats take my Henry :fist:.

smudgie 29-08-2017 07:07 AM

The wattage drops from 1600 watts to 900 watts this September.
Dyson don't go above 1400 watts.
One of the reasons James Dyson wants us out of the EU.
Curry shave a small ball on offer for £199 this week.


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