Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9704945)

Lostie, what's that in your sig? Is it a TV series?
(sorry for being momentarily off-topic)

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9704946)

I think it is quite important to figure out what "makes him tick" or what clear psychological problems or damage lead to these incidents - though not with the goal being to try to mend or rehabilitate him... I think it's pretty clear that it will never be safe to have him in society; if he's obtaining child porn then it's pretty clear that he still has no empathy in relation to what he did, and he is still getting thrills from kids suffering... Him reoffending and hurting someone is almost a certainty if he got the opportunity.

But it's still worth examining what "created him" in the first place, so that in future, carers / schools / social services etc. are better equipped to identify risk early and intervene long before something tragic happens.

I don't believe that anyone is "born evil" - there is some reason or set of circumstances that turned these kids into cruel murderers.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 9704948)

Yeah it's from Fringe :laugh:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9704949)

Yeah, I'll go with most of that. Find out what makes him tick, maybe it'll help people in the future. But never, ever let him out. I do disagree about people being born evil. I think some people are, not because they're bad for the sake of it, but because there're a couple of synapses that aren't firing in the same way everyone else's are.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9704952)

Just looked it up, how'd I miss it? I love all that alternate universe stuff... I'm going to dig it out. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9704920)

Imo Joey,justice was never done for James, there was always the do gooders that knew better than anyone else and wanted to go easy on them,yeah,looks like it.:wavey:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9704907)

It's not that simple really, you can't just say that "not all abused kids go bad so theres no reason that any abused kid should go bad"... Psychology is nuanced and complex, and some people simply break.

That said; some broken people are dangerous and "unfixable", and that has to be accepted too. I fully believe that both of those boys are both criminals AND victims, and that tragically one / some of the people guilty for what happened - whoever is responsible for creating the monsters - will never feel the full force of the law for what happened.

In fact, most serial killers and some of the world's most dangerous people were once victims. But that doesn't mean it's safe, or a good idea, to let them back into society. I guess you can compare it to dogs? Pretty much all vicious dogs that attack and maul people have been physically abused extensively. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to rehome them... They are always going to be a hair away from hurting someone else.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9704942)

He should be locked up for the rest of his life. Sadly, there are people already worrying about his rehabilitation and his human rights. They'll make sure he's paroled as soon as possible... and so it goes on. Concerned people will want to find out what makes him tick and try to mend him. Personally I'd be happy to see him hang.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9705091)

His parents live with this everyday,no help for them,they just have to get on with it, and if he is parolled again,(which he will be) they know that the person who killed their little son, is given chance after chance,where was James's 'chance' ,they were barbaric in their acts and Venables obviously still likes to see kids in torment and pain, how must that make James's parents feel,time to lock him up now he is a dangerous 35 year old.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9704952)

Just looked it up, how'd I miss it? I love all that alternate universe stuff... I'm going to dig it out. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9704900)

would you really? I think it has already been established he came from an abusive background with no boundaries, given his age when he was incarcerated he has had many years in rehabilitation, something a lot of adults who came from abusive backgrounds never had any access to and have managed to go on and live their lives without resorting to type.

Throw away the key this time, he is a danger to be out on the streets

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9705049)

It'll be a cycle that continues for the rest of his life, it would be good if they could issue him with a life sentence but changing the law for the sake of one case is never a good idea. The best we can hope for is that he doesn't end up hurting anyone else in the process.



Human Rights should always be protected and they are an absolute, Human Rights for all citizens in the UK or none at all, it doesn't work when you pick or choose who gets them. If anyone is concerned about Human Rights issues in this casethen it's not out of concern for Venebles but more likely for the rights themselves. We live in an age where people often are quick to want to throw away their rights out of fear or a sense of malice which in itself is incredibly silly and an insult to the people who have died to preserve the rights we have.

Just reading about places where Human Rights are not in effect should make people more grateful for what we have and make them want to protect what we have.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9705139)

I understand the Human Rights Act.I also know that people who work in the legal area of the Human Rights Act in this country do it mostly for the money, not for altruistic reasons.

In my opinion, we shouldn't be worrying about the human rights of people who have acted inhumanely. There are plenty of people in the world who haven't murdered a child, for whom human rights is a happy dream. They're the ones I'd be more interested in protecting.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9705144)

Again, Human Rights have to apply to all Humans that live in areas where it's in effect otherwise it doesn't work. We can't pick and choose.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9705144)

Again, Human Rights have to apply to all Humans that live in areas where it's in effect otherwise it doesn't work. We can't pick and choose.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9705091)

His parents live with this everyday,no help for them,they just have to get on with it, and if he is parolled again,(which he will be) they know that the person who killed their little son, is given chance after chance,where was James's 'chance' ,they were barbaric in their acts and Venables obviously still likes to see kids in torment and pain, how must that make James's parents feel,time to lock him up now he is a dangerous 35 year old.