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MTVN 02-08-2018 10:00 AM

Amazing to see the hard left tearing itself apart over this. Momentum has withdrawn support for Pete Willsman in the NEC elections which has led to loads of the Corbynistas tearing up their membership cards and going into a frenzy about the 'MSM propaganda' and 'Tory plots', some of them sound seriously unhinged

Corbyn himself is still silent of course

Beso 03-08-2018 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10115192)
Yes it shows just how biased the media are doesn't it... the very same media who when the Labour leader was Jewish ramped up antisemitism across the UK.

Not all Jewish people are comfortable with the definition in it's entirety and agree parts of the text are open to misinterpretation.
This constant bullying to accept this universal definition which doesn't speak specifically for those Jewish people is questionable.

Why would the media be biased though?..they are all reporting this story..

Kizzy 03-08-2018 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10122629)
Why would the media be biased though?..they are all reporting this story..

Yes they are aren't they? Why?

The 2010 meeting was so titled due to the keynote speaker, the leader arranged the whole thing to show there were Jewish people opposed to the actions of the Israeli govt.

Europe is splitting, there are two emerging factions socialist, and far right.
Judging by our media which way are we leaning?

https://evolvepolitics.com/the-right...jeremy-corbyn/

Beso 03-08-2018 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10122641)
Yes they are aren't they? Why?

The 2010 meeting was so titled due to the keynote speaker, the leader arranged the whole thing to show there were Jewish people opposed to the actions of the Israeli govt.

Europe is splitting, there are two emerging factions socialist, and far right.
Judging by our media which way are we leaning?

https://evolvepolitics.com/the-right...jeremy-corbyn/

There must be a reason for this supposed bias?

Oliver_W 03-08-2018 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10122801)
There must be a reason for this supposed bias?

Because the big nasty meanie corporations are worried that political genius Jeremy Corbyn is gonna change the world, leaving them with less power!!11one

bots 03-08-2018 02:09 PM

it's interesting that absolutely everyone other than a group within the labour party are considered biased

Personally, given that Corbyn has apologised numerous times, that other labour MP's and executive members have apologised numerous times, it's reporting of news events, not bias

Kizzy 05-08-2018 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10122963)
it's interesting that absolutely everyone other than a group within the labour party are considered biased

Personally, given that Corbyn has apologised numerous times, that other labour MP's and executive members have apologised numerous times, it's reporting of news events, not bias

There is a political bias to our media... it's a joke withing the rest of Europe just how biased it is. In general not just on this issue our mainstream media is leaning further and further right.
So much so the BBC now legitimize breitbart as a source and tommy robinson is hailed as some kind of folk hero...And is there no antisemitism in the ranks in which they fraternize with no apology or reform required?

hmmmmm?....

MTVN 05-08-2018 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10126505)
There is a political bias to our media... it's a joke withing the rest of Europe just how biased it is. In general not just on this issue our mainstream media is leaning further and further right.
So much so the BBC now legitimize breitbart as a source and tommy robinson is hailed as some kind of folk hero...And is there no antisemitism in the ranks in which they fraternize with no apology or reform required?

hmmmmm?....

Do you ever wonder if you're on the wrong side in this anti-Semitism debate?

Alf 05-08-2018 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10126505)
There is a political bias to our media... it's a joke withing the rest of Europe just how biased it is. In general not just on this issue our mainstream media is leaning further and further right.
So much so the BBC now legitimize breitbart as a source and tommy robinson is hailed as some kind of folk hero...And is there no antisemitism in the ranks in which they fraternize with no apology or reform required?

hmmmmm?....

Breitbart is a news source, and thousands of people protest marching, chanting "oh Tommy Tommy, Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson" is an indication that he actually might be a folk hero.

Alf 05-08-2018 10:04 PM

Sargon of Akkad, who opposes everything Corbyn stands for, posted a video today defending Corbyn on all this anti-Semitic stuff.





Kizzy 06-08-2018 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10126557)
Do you ever wonder if you're on the wrong side in this anti-Semitism debate?

No I don't. If you're attempting to accuse me of something have the balls to do it in a manner where I can challenge that.

https://www.thecanary.co/exclusive/2...were-trashing/

Kizzy 06-08-2018 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10126560)
Breitbart is a news source, and thousands of people protest marching, chanting "oh Tommy Tommy, Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson" is an indication that he actually might be a folk hero.

It's the mainstream media legitimising far right leaning sources, don't you think these have links to facist/ antisemitic organisations?
The media have kept robinson in the public eye they have created him as a folk hero as they did with farage... my question is why?

Oliver_W 06-08-2018 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10126905)
It's the mainstream media legitimising far right leaning sources, don't you think these have links to facist/ antisemitic organisations?

Why would they? Being far right and being fascist are separate things. What visible links are there between Breitbart and fascist/antisemitic groups?

Beso 06-08-2018 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10126905)
It's the mainstream media legitimising far right leaning sources, don't you think these have links to facist/ antisemitic organisations?
The media have kept robinson in the public eye they have created him as a folk hero as they did with farage... my question is why?

Tommy robinson hardly made the news, only time i recall was an interview he did..he was never on the front pages before he was locked up.

Beso 06-08-2018 12:36 PM

And corbyns racism towards the jews is big news and the medua would be failing if it didnt highlight this major issue.

Kizzy 06-08-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10126910)
Why would they? Being far right and being fascist are separate things. What visible links are there between Breitbart and fascist/antisemitic groups?

Oh hello Oliver, it is a haven for the alt right ... it's hailed as a extreme right wing safe space is it not?

My question is why are the BBC using this as a legitimate news source?

Alf 06-08-2018 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10126905)
It's the mainstream media legitimising far right leaning sources, don't you think these have links to facist/ antisemitic organisations?
The media have kept robinson in the public eye they have created him as a folk hero as they did with farage... my question is why?

Owen Jones is a political activist just like Robinson, though they just have differing opinions.

Owen Jones was on celebrity pointless yesterday, are you outraged about that?

Oliver_W 06-08-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10126925)
Oh hello Oliver, it is a haven for the alt right ... it's hailed as a extreme right wing safe space is it not?

My question is why are the BBC using this as a legitimate news source?

I don't bother with it, but if it has journalists doing their own research, the information they gather deserves to be looked at as much as any other source. Plus, I've seen Corbyn quote bloody HuffPo so it goes both ways.

Kizzy 06-08-2018 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10126926)
Owen Jones is a political activist just like Robinson, though they just have differing opinions.

Owen Jones was on celebrity pointless yesterday, are you outraged about that?

Owen Jones is a journalist.

Kizzy 06-08-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10126928)
I don't bother with it, but if it has journalists doing their own research, the information they gather deserves to be looked at as much as any other source. Plus, I've seen Corbyn quote bloody HuffPo so it goes both ways.

Why?... why does am alt right information site deserve to be looked at by the bbc?

Are you presuming huffpo is left leaning?

Oliver_W 06-08-2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10126957)
Why?... why does am alt right information site deserve to be looked at by the bbc?

Why does it not? As someone who avoids ad hominem arguments, I'm more likely to decide if information deserves to be looked at based on what it says, rather than who is saying it.

Quote:

Are you presuming huffpo is left leaning?
Would you say that's an unfair assumption?

Alf 06-08-2018 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10126946)
Owen Jones is a journalist.

And a political activist.


Kizzy 06-08-2018 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10126964)
Why does it not? As someone who avoids ad hominem arguments, I'm more likely to decide if information deserves to be looked at based on what it says, rather than who is saying it.


Would you say that's an unfair assumption?

It's just not usual to find someone who accepts that there is a sometimes clear political bias in the media, by accepting that huffpo is left leaning then you will be accepting that breitbart is seen as the opposite in terms of ethos.

My post was wondering why the BBC which claims to be independent of bias is giving only the right a platform...you indicated that Corbyn quoted huffpo not the BBC.... he is perfectly entitled to quote whomsoever he chooses.

For a debate to be balanced the 'independent' BBC you would have thought would seek out a counter to the right wing veiwpoint wouldn't you think?

Kizzy 06-08-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10126969)
And a political activist.


Whereas robinson is neither journalist or political activist.. he has no political allegiance. He's just a rabble rouser.

Oliver_W 06-08-2018 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10127014)
It's just not usual to find someone who accepts that there is a sometimes clear political bias in the media, by accepting that huffpo is left leaning then you will be accepting that breitbart is seen as the opposite in terms of ethos.

My post was wondering why the BBC which claims to be independent of bias is giving only the right a platform...you indicated that Corbyn quoted huffpo not the BBC.... he is perfectly entitled to quote whomsoever he chooses.

For a debate to be balanced the 'independent' BBC you would have thought would seek out a counter to the right wing veiwpoint wouldn't you think?

If they're reporting on something, they can use whatever sources they desire.
I'm not even sure what article you're referring to, when did they cite Breitbart with no counterpoints?


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