I dunno, you might be right:shrug:

but what about the media, Facebook, twiiter..Snapchat. ..etc etc....somethings made these kids act like that?


What is it?

They don't just wake up one day and do that?


Or do they?

Is this the UK society these days, bored kids...having a laugh?

There's only one thing that 'made' these bigots do the things they have done, themselves. Everything else is just a scapegoat and an excuse to vindicate violent people unjustly.

It's no different to people that blame shootings in the US on video games, if video games could inspire such carnage then why isn't such displays of violence common in all countries? Why is it a distinct US problem and why hasn't there been a link between violence and video games proved thus far? All those studies that have been carried out since the 90's have only proved there's no link.

It's the same with social media and the media as a whole. Mary Whitehouse tried to make out that 'video nasties' were responsible for society's ills in the 80's and that was nothing other than a scapegoat too. You can't blame an outside element for someone's violent actions. The problem lies purely in the violent individual.

i don't think thats 100% true. Homophobic scum are responsible for their own actions, but there are societal reasons as to why homophobia is continually perpetuated and acted upon

Like what?

I knew you would say that...can you answer the bottom half of my post you didn't quote now please?...with a fresh head...:shrug:

This is what we have to find out.

I didn't quote it because you added it afterwards and you'll get the same answer because it's the only answer. Bored kids don't suddenly become bigoted and violent. There is no outside cause, a person of sound mind's actions are their own and being bigoted is not a mental illness, it's just a piss poor attitude and the mark of a **** personality.

If you keep asking the same questions, you'll get the same answers. You can't vindicate a violent bigot of blame for their actions. We are all responsible for our own choices, Parm. No amount of scapegoats or mental gymnastics is going to change that Parm. Instead of trying to defend bigots like that gang, you should accept that everyone makes their own choices.

Now, instead of saying 'I knew you'd say that' try actually responding to what I'm saying, this is a debate after all.

Excuses and nothing more, that mindset doesn't fix anything, it just makes ***** like that gang out to be victims of circumstance when there are plenty of people with circumstances like theirs' that aren't violent bigots.

Ok..Im not really sure what you are saying so I will ask an outright question.

So what are these kids?

Bored kids seeing a target, or kids out looking for gay couples to assault?

They are violent homophobes.

Keep asking the same question and you'll get the same answer. You cannot phrase your question in a way to get the specific response you want.

I think they are bored kids..seeing an easy target..

:hehe:

It's probably homophobes but just to throw another suggestion out there - they reduced the amount of sugar in Lucozade a few years ago and it tastes like crap now. Might be coincidence obviously.

I think it's alt right influence, if the motive for attack is race, religion or sexual orientation then in my opinion that makes it a fascist inspired act. The reason that they are on the rise is because there are more and louder fascist mouthpieces in the UK and beyond.

Let me be your fantasy.

Bury your head all you want alf, your mocking blinkered posts don't detract from what's reported every day.

Homophobia has always been present, every time a bigot breeds, they more than likely pass down their attitude to their offspring, but the spike in hate crimes/speech? That can be placed solely at the feet of prominent right wing faces in the media who have waged a war on decency allowing people to be more comfortable being openly bigoted because ‘free speech innit’

Homophobic abuse has always been rife sadly. The spike in cases being reported is a combination of things in my opinion. The rise in prevalence of social media makes it far easier for cases of abuse being reported, the current unrest in the country means all violent crime has risen, the general acceptance of same sex relationships now means more people will report the crimes rather than be embarrassed they happen etc etc.

However, the only people to blame for homophobic crimes are homophobic people.

I think it's down to education,parenting and peers, i think it's worse now as many kids are not educated ,and have bad parents , they are ferel and really dont care or have no fear of what they do, mainly they have been brought up in an enviroment that teaches them that certain things are wrong.

Has it risen? I would have thought there would be much more homophobia years ago?

Reported everyday by whom?

Show me today's, show me yesterday's, and show me Christmas day 2017.

It's on the rise again, personally I don't think there have been as many far right wing commentators or politicians as in the days of Enoch powell! :/

here in my country you got all sorts of senseless violence, not just homophobic hate crimes

few people also had been beaten, kicked to death after intervening in some fights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOERov10GH0

few rappers here had made a song about useless, senseless violence back then

Which right wing politicians or commentators have been using Homophobic language or rhetoric?

Did I say any had specifically made any homophobic comments?... Your comprehension is lacking.