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user104658 23-05-2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 11049521)
It’s a lot to expect everyone to remember a change when it’s literally the topic of the thread?


People type a stream of consciousness and the word that comes out comes out. You could argue that people should take the time to proof-read their posts and make sure to change things like a pronoun (however, realistically most people don’t double check a forum post before they hit send) but it’s a lot to expect that people are in tight control of conversational language. It takes time. It’s like if a friend you’ve known for years by a nickname declares that they hate it - of course you stop consciously using it, but occasionally it’s going to slip out.

I did also say that obviously some people do it pointedly and by all means call that out. But a policy of blanket anger and disappointment at “incorrect pronouns” is really not the way.

Jake. 23-05-2021 11:43 AM

Yeah I can’t see it being done out of anything other than intention by most people.
It’s Demi Lovato, it’s not like they’re usually a hot topic on the forum and people are “slipping up”.

The edit function is there, I can’t see that it’s been used by those who have referred to Demi as she/her?

bots 23-05-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 11049564)
Yeah I can’t see it being done out of anything other than intention by most people.
It’s Demi Lovato, it’s not like they’re usually a hot topic on the forum and people are “slipping up”.

The edit function is there, I can’t see that it’s been used by those who have referred to Demi as she/her?

where is it stated that people should be called as they wish to? Plenty people on this forum have been described using terms they most certainly don't like but nothing ever happens about that

Oliver_W 23-05-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11049586)
where is it stated that people should be called as they wish to? Plenty people on this forum have been described using terms they most certainly don't like but nothing ever happens about that

No-one "has" to use preferred pronouns, but it's seen as polite.

When women identify as transmen or as nonbinary, there seems to be a co-morbidity with a history of sexual abuse, which Demi Lovato has been subject to at least twice ... Some kind of coping mechanism, perhaps? Seems to mostly apply to females, as it doesn't seem to be the case with men who identit as transwomen or as nonbinary.

UserSince2005 23-05-2021 01:50 PM

The overdose mess up the head

Marsh. 23-05-2021 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11049586)
where is it stated that people should be called as they wish to? Plenty people on this forum have been described using terms they most certainly don't like but nothing ever happens about that

Comparing pronouns to bigoted comments being labelled as bigoted?

Yeah, ok.

Jake. 23-05-2021 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11049586)
where is it stated that people should be called as they wish to? Plenty people on this forum have been described using terms they most certainly don't like but nothing ever happens about that

It’s just a thing of respect really isn’t it :shrug:

Jake. 23-05-2021 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 11049674)
Comparing pronouns to bigoted comments being labelled as bigoted?

Yeah, ok.

Or this.

Crimson Dynamo 23-05-2021 06:07 PM

So do the DM have to now write "Demi Levato was in Paris Friday for a charity gig, them wore a lovely over the shoulder number from Prada and then they visited a lovely chique cafe on the banks of the Seine. Them will be in Paris for 2 nights and then them will be on the first flight back to LA"?

I cant see this catching on somehow

:shrug:

Tom4784 23-05-2021 06:11 PM

It's the Daily Mail, so that level of illiteracy would be expected.

Jordan. 23-05-2021 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11049885)
It's the Daily Mail, so that level of illiteracy would be expected.

:joker:

Marsh. 23-05-2021 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11049880)
So do the DM have to now write "Demi Levato was in Paris Friday for a charity gig, them wore a lovely over the shoulder number from Prada and then they visited a lovely chique cafe on the banks of the Seine. Them will be in Paris for 2 nights and then them will be on the first flight back to LA"?

I cant see this catching on somehow

:shrug:

Replacing the word "they" with "them" says more about your grasp of English than it does Demi Lovato?

Crimson Dynamo 23-05-2021 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 11049891)
Replacing the word "they" with "them" says more about your grasp of English than it does Demi Lovato?

i think my point was made and you seem to have grasped it despite the acerbic comment

user104658 23-05-2021 07:07 PM

That would be “Her wore a lovely over the shoulder number” so you just did a bad job of changing the pronouns LT. All of those would be “they” and it reads fine on that basis; albeit with the issue that it’s harder to distinguish singular from plural if a lot of people are using the singular “they”.

It isn’t incorrect English, however.

bots 23-05-2021 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11049930)
That would be “Her wore a lovely over the shoulder number” so you just did a bad job of changing the pronouns LT. All of those would be “they” and it reads fine on that basis; albeit with the issue that it’s harder to distinguish singular from plural if a lot of people are using the singular “they”.

It isn’t incorrect English, however.

it becomes undefined which is the basis of them doing it.

It's perfectly typical grammar to use when you don't know the sex of who you are referring to, going back decades

Marsh. 23-05-2021 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11049922)
i think my point was made and you seem to have grasped it despite the acerbic comment

You haven't made any point. You've tried to make out the pronouns of they/them won't allow actual sentences to be made in place of she/her by using bad English.
That's a 'you' issue.


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