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Alf 06-09-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11091479)
I’d happily pay an extra £20 on NI or Tax if it meant actual improvements would be made. My concern is that the money will be taken but it’ll just be to stop the wheels falling off and nothing will improve.

I’ve started to turn into an old Tory with this foot injury when it comes to healthcare. I love universal healthcare in concept and that we have it, especially when it comes to things like chronic conditions and terminal illness, but it seems that for “basic” things like a complex foot injury it is just not fit for purpose. They have been utterly, utterly useless and 2 months down the line my foot is still ****ed. A month for an x-ray, 6 weeks to get a CT scan, that was 3 weeks ago and I still haven’t had results.

I can’t pretend that it doesn’t make the huge lump of tax and NI in my payslip sting a bit. Again, I wouldn’t begrudge it in the slightest if it felt like it was paying for a functional service.

Your extra £20 will come in handy for an MPs elevenses, a large brandy and a Cuban cigar.

smudgie 06-09-2021 10:29 AM

Maybe if it was a tax that everyone paid it would go down better than just NI payers having to foot the bill.:shrug:
I am all for it.
The triple lock on pensions needs sorting as well. An over 8% pay rise down to covid is over the top.

Cherie 06-09-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11091485)
Yep same, they need to create a tax that is purely put in a social care pot so that spending can be transparent

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11091499)
Tax the rich properly then you won't have to squeeze the poor.

Combine these two and we got ourselves a policy :smug:

Livia 06-09-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11091509)
Combine these two and we got ourselves a policy :smug:

What a team....

Oliver_W 06-09-2021 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11091479)
I’d happily pay an extra £20 on NI or Tax if it meant actual improvements would be made. My concern is that the money will be taken but it’ll just be to stop the wheels falling off and nothing will improve.

Yup, any extra money will just fall into the black hole like the rest of it. The government stealing more money isn't the answer, but spending it properly is.

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Alf 07-09-2021 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 11091771)

The Star, stole that joke from Only fools and Horses

bots 07-09-2021 06:29 AM

i don't have an issue with the NHS getting more cash, if it's used wisely and not squandered on admin and waste as it usually is

arista 07-09-2021 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11091798)
i don't have an issue with the NHS getting more cash, if it's used wisely and not squandered on admin and waste as it usually is


Yes some poles has said just that.

user104658 07-09-2021 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11091798)
i don't have an issue with the NHS getting more cash, if it's used wisely and not squandered on admin and waste as it usually is

Part of the problem though is that huge issues are down to understaffing, and they currently simply can't train them fast enough. The lower bands (1 - 4) are less of an issue as they don't have registration requirements, but nurses/doctors/other health professionals at Band 5+ have some major staffing problems... and thanks to good old Brexit we can't attract as many professionals from abroad as we used to. EU staff for actual practical reasons (it's just not as simple or easy as it once was so it isn't an attractive prospect) and staff from elsewhere because, to be blunt, the certain members of the public have been emboldened in being increasingly hostile towards "staff with funny accents". It's a nationalistic xenophobia rather than "simple" racism too; these people tend to have no problem with a black nurse from Manchester or an Asian nurse with a London accent... it's purely down to them being "not from here".

tl;dr All of the money in the world isn't going to fix the staffing problem any time soon. Even if they funnel it all into making salaries more attractive and shovel some of it at Universities to increase training places... you're still talking realistically 5 - 10 years before you actually have increased numbers of fully trained staff in place.

We scared away half the workforce. We had large numbers of EU nurses. They understandably went home.

The problems facing health & social care are multi-layered, and the idea that "if we throw more money, that'll fix it!" is extremely Tory thinking isn't it. More funding will always HELP, of course, but the issues run deeper than underfunding.

Livia 07-09-2021 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11091798)
i don't have an issue with the NHS getting more cash, if it's used wisely and not squandered on admin and waste as it usually is

For instance... £70k + for a diversity and inclusion manager. I don't know another organisation more diverse or more inclusive.

joeysteele 07-09-2021 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11091812)
Part of the problem though is that huge issues are down to understaffing, and they currently simply can't train them fast enough. The lower bands (1 - 4) are less of an issue as they don't have registration requirements, but nurses/doctors/other health professionals at Band 5+ have some major staffing problems... and thanks to good old Brexit we can't attract as many professionals from abroad as we used to. EU staff for actual practical reasons (it's just not as simple or easy as it once was so it isn't an attractive prospect) and staff from elsewhere because, to be blunt, the certain members of the public have been emboldened in being increasingly hostile towards "staff with funny accents". It's a nationalistic xenophobia rather than "simple" racism too; these people tend to have no problem with a black nurse from Manchester or an Asian nurse with a London accent... it's purely down to them being "not from here".

tl;dr All of the money in the world isn't going to fix the staffing problem any time soon. Even if they funnel it all into making salaries more attractive and shovel some of it at Universities to increase training places... you're still talking realistically 5 - 10 years before you actually have increased numbers of fully trained staff in place.

We scared away half the workforce. We had large numbers of EU nurses. They understandably went home.

The problems facing health & social care are multi-layered, and the idea that "if we throw more money, that'll fix it!" is extremely Tory thinking isn't it. More funding will always HELP, of course, but the issues run deeper than underfunding.

Really strong post there TS.

I hope social care however doesn't remain another political football.

The effort should be that whatever is put in place is the result of full involved consultation and agreement with other Parties and all relevant care organisations too.

Where there would be universal agreement on a policy by all with just the intention of supporting it once implemented and not keep reforming as with the wider NHS.

That's not going to be the case as he's off to do it his way or no way it seems.

Any increases of tax and NI, for this purpose, it has to be made transparent, that all the funding is for the NHS and social care practical purposes, not on just office matters.

However as TS points out, recruitment is the big issue which will mean now with this particular government's more solid anti EU stance,even now we're out.
That yes, 5 to 10 years down the line, even with the increases of tax and/or NI, little can likely change before that significantly.

I've no problem with him breaking an election manifesto pledge to really do something as to social care and the NHS.
However, any cosmetic ONLY policy will soon be seen through and even with increased revenue, more concerning issues could arise.

As TS stated, part of the bigger problem is understaffing, across the NHS and in the wider care sector too.
That needs a really good, solid and strong policy to even begin to start to address.

Which is why this should be an ALL party policy, not just from the government in office at present, possibly only causing more issues and setting up further future problems.

arista 07-09-2021 10:33 AM

Live in Parliament
12:30PM
Johnson tell us all, his new plan.

But will he get enough votes?

The Slim Reaper 07-09-2021 10:36 AM

Didn't we do brexit so we could spend £350m/wk on the NHS?

arista 07-09-2021 10:41 AM

This is said to be an Increase on Income Tax


The Money is needed because of China's Covid-19
burning up our money tree.

arista 07-09-2021 11:01 AM

The Vote on this Nat.Ins. Tax
increase is to be Tomorrow
Wednesday PM


Ref:SkyNewsHD

arista 07-09-2021 11:08 AM

Johnson's Cabinet has agreed this new TAX
early today.

Smithy 07-09-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11091833)
Didn't we do brexit so we could spend £350m/wk on the NHS?

That’s what I was told too :conf:

arista 07-09-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 11091840)
That’s what I was told too :conf:


This is Beyond that


China's Covid-19
has wrecked the UK and World.
It was not expected.

The Slim Reaper 07-09-2021 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 11091842)
This is Beyond that


China's Covid-19
has wrecked the UK and World.
It was not expected.

Covid is irrelevant to the payments we were supposedly making to the EU that we are no longer making. That money should still be there.

arista 07-09-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11091843)
Covid is irrelevant to the payments we were supposedly making to the EU that we are no longer making. That money should still be there.



No you are Wrong
it has caused the NHS to have a massive backlog.


China's Covid-19 has cost this nation Billions.
Fact.


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