Originally Posted by oliver_w (Post 11185699)

surgery and synthetic hormones don't change reality. Actively declining to play along with someone's delusions isn't denying their existence, especially when they literally aren't what they think they are.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11185604)

She just answered Piers questions, she barely said anything really just that being a girl and growing up as a girl into a woman isn't the same as getting surgery to look like a woman, how can anyone argue against that?

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11185648)

But they are transwomen/men though, how is that denying anyone's existence? I'm happy to call anyone by whatever name they want etc but biology matters too especially for women. You talk about oppressors etc but you haven't acknowledged at all that women have always been oppressed because of our sex not our gender identity, just look at what's happening in the states right now fgs, that's 100% discriminating, controlling and oppressing women because of our Biology. Self ID is threatening to eradicate that right for women and girls to name themselves as such based on our biology, in fact you talk about people's "right to exist" what about our right to exist as a biological class? Why is that not important?

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11185699)

Surgery and synthetic hormones don't change reality. Actively declining to play along with someone's delusions isn't denying their existence, especially when they literally aren't what they think they are.

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185705)

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.

I don't know what it is about tibbs obsession with trans. So many threads.

I can't even be bothered to debate it anymore. Some people get it, some don't.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11185711)

With all due respect Thomas you are neither a woman or a transwoman (as far as I'm aware?) so that's a lot of guess work you have going on there. Regardless that isn't the point I was making, my point is the realities of being a woman and being a transwoman are not that same, the struggles and issues are not the same either.

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185713)

You're ignorant. My last words on the matter

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185709)

And you are a big part of the problem.

How is it harming you?

You are denying their existence because you won't accept what they want to call themselves. Who actually gives a toss, focus on your own life. You can call yourself a lollypop for all I care as long as you're happy.

You insult a whole community by calling them delusional.

I think it's ****ing disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185712)

I'm stepping out of this thread because I really can't debate it rationally without getting pissed off.

The world is a cruel place

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11185719)

it's aggressive crap like that, that's the problem in all of this

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185709)

How is it harming you?

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185709)

You are denying their existence because you won't accept what they want to call themselves.

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185709)

You insult a whole community by calling them delusional.

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11185734)

Lmao, blatant bigotry is fine, but an emotional response to said bigotry is the problem, this place man, the state it’s been allowed to get into is appalling

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11185631)

What do you mean by no rights though? What rights don't trans people have already?

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11185914)

Some people don't like the rights that trans people have right now was what I should've clarified in my earlier post.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11185642)

A guy on twitter calling for cancellation isn't equal to the hour of hour of Galahad tv shows where segments are created specifically to talk crap about an at risk minority.

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185705)

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.

I don't know what it is about tibbs obsession with trans. So many threads.

I can't even be bothered to debate it anymore. Some people get it, some don't.

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11185705)

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11185919)

Tbf both groups are oppressed to some extent.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11185915)

mock what do you think a woman is?

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11185928)

Biologically speaking they're born female is my answer.

And personally in Sports I sadly couldn't see a way for biological women and transwomen to fairly play against each other, so I do support the decision that some of the Sports have taken.

However I honestly don't hate the Trans community, why would I? Unless they've done something heinous then I say let them live in peace.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11185933)

why would you hate them

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11185935)

That's my point.

It's weird to me that some people just hate Trans people, and I'm not talking about the people concerned for biological women's rights, I'm talking about the people that despised BB contestants ffs just because they were Trans.

They're the people that I don't understand.