I'm with InOne on this and understand why he's got the view he has and he's does raise a few vaild points why he's suggested it.

I guess the sticking point is probably due to the limited amount of members on Tibb that contribute to the SD section - far less Politics discussions / debates - and that isn't viewed as warranting a sub section.

Personally I'd welcome a seperate one though.

Do you regard a News Story about (for example) a thug breaking into a house and being commended for this behaviour by a judge for his actions ''taking courage'' and being let off...as not a serious topic?

The type of news story will determine how 'serious' it is - what some regard as serious - others wont. You can't please all the people all of the time. Common sense prevails......

Politics is a huge part of life -whether interested in it or not - to suggest there should be no Political threads at all is bizarre.

Hypothetically if it was separate what difference would it make?
People would still post their opinions, and those who had differing political views would clash just the same.
I start threads in serious debates, on loads of subjects,from school dinners to the clothing manufacturing industry in the UK.....
Nobody cares, the threads are either hijacked or fade into the ether.
If I debate a point that does not fit with the majority I have been called a troll and accused of sniping many times.

Fact is, even if they were separate the most serious debate on here today from what I can see Is what lee had for tea :)

I personally prefer the 'can men and women ever be friends' social type of debate to the long drawn out political ones that require endless detailed facts about political issues, but it's just personal choice. I understand some like the more in-depth political or legal type discussion and that's fine with me. For pure ease of finding particular debates it would probably be easier to have two seperate sections though, in that part I agree.

If anything the threads that irritate me the most are the name dropping/arse licking threads.

I agree, some news stories are lighthearted and some have deeper social or political connotations.
It is up to you which you comment on and why, and seeing as the country is going through a series of fundamental changes there will be lots of stories with a political edge.

I agree at least during those debates you are not challenged quite so brutally for your view, or asked to provide reliable documented information to prove your point :joker:

I agree News Stories should be divided again, but I think Politics should remain in serious debates, but maybe as a sub-forum.

One of the things I enjoy about some political topics, even though I'm not personally interested in any real in-depth way as others are; is reading some very well thought out, well balanced, interesting and informative posts from those who do debate well and do enter into the spirit of such discussions in the manner in which they are intended - even if not in agreeance, but with good points being made from 'all sides'. Unfortunately, this increasingly is becoming a rarity.

You can say that again, there is not a political issue on here where some have not shouted down, belittled, berated,sneered, patronised and used both their longevity and or popularity to mask their condescension.
No matter, as long as you are true to yourself and your beliefs then that is all you can do.
We are not experts or oracles, we can only give our view and opinions based on what we see and hear.
Like you say whatever side of the fence you are on it is important to remain respectful and accepting of the fact we hold differing opinions.

A sub-forum would be good. Perhaps entitled "political arguments" because that's what they inevitably become. And it's a bore.

They do when you can't accept an alternate opinion yes, maybe its something that needs to be worked on?
I get quite passionate on certain issues in the media, if some find my posts or comments boring then don't reply or quote me simple as...
Or alternatively give me my own sub forum and I will happily rant away to myself...:joker:

:joker:

Never let it be said that I take myself too seriously fruity :wink:

I don't think it should be separate. All SERIOUS STORIES are political anyway. If it's something serious then politics and government are going to be involved. I think it's just going to create a lot more confusion about what is "serious debate" and what is "political". The current system is working just fine imo. If we were going to split the forum, then i tink it would be better to split it into a WORLD Serious Debates section, and a UK Only Politics section qwhere you just talk about UK politicians.

No.

name a serious debate story that's not political in any way then...

Like fruitcake said, some serious debates like 'can men and women ever be friends?' has no basis in news or politics but is caught up in the news and serious debates section.
I don't have a problem with it myself, but others seem to have an issue with it.

It's not serious debate stories it's just serious debates.

Yes, but what about all those times where you have the sub-forum filled with "5-year-old gets A* at GCSE Maths"? Should these also get classified as Serious Debates?

Balances itself out so instead of having a section with a mix of both serious debates and trivia it would be better to have separate sub-forums.

Yes...It is a serious debate, is the kid a prodigy, or are they right GCSE's are far too easy :)
It is a political issue too, due to the education reforms....
You just can't get away from it can you?...:joker:

Some people just don't get it :bored:

some people should stop fishing....
http://www.online-sign.com/signs/pro...thumbs/264.jpg

Some people should get a new line.

You should get a new fishing line....

In the world's current economic condition, there's obviously debate about politics but if you take a look at the Serious Debates and News section about 99.999999...% of the posts there are political. If there are that many threads on the same topic would you not just give it a separate board to continue so we can have a variety of other topics discussed ... which is primarily what the section was made for?

It is fine as it is Serious debate,News and politics are one and the same if you dont like the topic dont reply its simple.

Lots of things are in the news, I wouldn't say that high percentage are political to be fair.
Who else starts political debates?...Hardly anyone, most are happy to chat shiz all day.
Why are people so fixated on SD all of a sudden?
When was the last time you created a thread in there?

Had to be yesterday didn't it!!! ffs ....:)

You should realise the world isn't against you

:idc: Thanks for that.

Why not? This is an open forum and people are more than free to comment on threads even if their opinions don't fall under the banner of 'positive'.

If you dont like the topic dont respond to it if you have a topic that you want to talk about start it and debate it.
It isnt compicated.
InOne with all due respect you have no right to complain if you dont contribute.

If you don't like the topic you of course do have the option of voicing your views on it. The sole existence of these internet forums is for people to say what they want and voice any views they have - whether you like them or not.

This stupid teenage notion that states that you have to have positive views on a topic before commenting on it is a load of bollocks and completely misses the whole point of ... erm ... opinions.

Bottom line is you can't tell someone not to comment on a particular thread just because you don't like their views.

It's that simple.

ummm thats kind of just repeating what i said thanks for that redway and well done.

I do, not to the endless political ones though.

Good for you, you still haven't explained why they offend you so much.
If you don't comment in political debate why does it affect you so deeply?
I was under that impression off season that those who wanted to post other topics for debate were entitled to do so..

During this time of political and social change these threads may pop up for those who wish to dicsuss them, and they may get heated at times, if that offends you theres not a lot I can do about it.

When did I say they offend me? I just think they should be in different sections so it would be better if there was a news or Politics sections. Most of the Political stuff comes from a news story someone has posted anyway.


Now I can't be arsed going round in circles with you again so you can accept that answer.

Maybe if we posted some T&A pics in a politics thread a certain member would be more interested :joker:

Be quiet.

:joker::joker::joker:You know it's the truth:hugesmile:

Kazanne, your idea of debate is to just say "Well said Joey:xyxwave:" So I'm afraid this thread isn't for you.