The only difference no foul language ,I would recognize her.

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Middle class does not mean you will be wealthy either.

All this class malarkey is like hocuspocus.:joker:

Since when does being poor or rich excuse bad behaviour?

I don't think you can really judge Helens character on living in a £300,000 bungalow (not house) anyway she hasn't lived there for 11 years.

She is a single mother and currently lives in rented accommodation as far as im aware. Her father has openly said he is ashamed of what shes done and apologised to the rooneys.

They do not have a relationship, why do you think when everyone got letters from home hers was from her friend?

A background based on earnings and properties means nothing, my parents both have lovely homes, 2 cars, 2 gardens ect but I rent a 1 bed flat in ****ing Cardiff lol.

In an interview about her parents this is what she had to say..

'I had parents who bickered every single night and effed and blinded at each other and I'd rather have been in a council house, living in poverty with two happy parents than having two parents who despised each other. When I was 15 I slit myself all the time with razor blades.' At 15 she moved out to live with a school friend whose mother called social services and she was put into foster care with a vicar and his wife who she loved. But, a few weeks later, she lost her virginity to a 17-year-old boy and became pregnant. Her parents were by this point were about to embark on divorce proceedings and had signed her into permanent care (she must have been a deeply threatening teenager to merit such a stark rejection, 'I was never violent unless provoked,' she says). Social services would not allow her to remain in foster care while pregnant and moved her into a council flat which her baby bump's father would visit. 'The first time he beat me to a pulp I was six months pregnant. It was because he couldn't find his keys,' she says.

She hasn't exactly grown up as the normal everyday teen would but I know a lot of girls who were in the same circumstances and thinking about it are quite head strong and aggressive to a point.

That's interesting reading tbh,it does answer a few things.

I think Jeremy Kyle could testify that it "might" answer a few things, but plenty of youngsters go through worse and don't necessarily choose to behave in certain ways as adults.

Still, it appears some of her past might be considered of some relevance now but those rejecting that previously?

Yes, yes, yes.

(I was somewhat appalled to read that her father publicly apologised for his daughter's behaviour in the Rooney situation. I think that shows something that was lacking in her relationship with her father. If my Dad were her father, he would have said nothing, or that it was an unfortunate situation, but it's over.)