The knob didn't have to do those things,and what does he think he will see when he takes someone for a shower!!!! I DONT BELIEVE HE DID THAT ANYWAY,Gary was quite capable of showering according to that hilarious gif doing the rounds,lol, James pretended to be caring to curry favour with the public,unfortunately for him his uncaring arrogant side won over all the time,bitter loser,bitter person,bitter lemon.James and The Daily Star sounds about right ,both full of shyte.

We are going to have to disagree on this one Liam, why are they being punished, they are punishing themselves. Dee and James had an oppourtunity to let things stay in the house. They didnt they brought it out at BBOTS. Dee's behaviour was disgusting, the pair of them are still carrying on.

He didnt need help, he slipped up, was asked to better himself and he did. Who else slipped up, mm let me think .... See what you are really saying is that Stephanie and James were right to say he should be in a dog kennel, that meant that they thought he was a lesser subject, there are so many things if we go back over. Babysitter, carers etc. etc. Not a good example for Ricci's children (when he has them) so was Ricci climbing all over a middleaged woman a good example? I was ok with him until he said that. The insults which have been given, so they are ok? We try and bring people down because it makes us feel better, it makes us forget our own inadequacies. Mind you as we get older we learn that it isnt right and we accept that we are as good as anybody, we then learn empathy.

Gary really put James in his place but James couldnt take it, he went into the DR the eyes and ears of the public, he declared that Audley, Kellie and Gary were .... cant remember his exact words but they meant that they were below him, why should he take any notice, how dare BB do such a thing! He could not and still does not take criticism.

There is so much Liam, I am of the older generation and to me it has been very ageist, this is borne out by the fact that it was ok for George to bear his bottom but not for Gary. So many other things and I object. You are a young man and I feel you want to stand up against us. On the other hand your grandad is a lucky chappie to have such a lovely grandson.

Re the elderly, not everyone appreciates the help and most would like to ask for it first, when others take over it can be seen as patronising. One has to be very careful there because not everyone has a sense of humour. I remember someone asking my husband if he wanted a seat (I was sat down on a side seat) he refused but I made everyone laugh as I looked up and said "there it shows you are getting old). Well in my books a laugh a day keeps the doctor away. Anyway love you have fun, we will never agree on this one. I never argued over Helen I stood up for Chris but I couldnt stand Helen and didnt think she should have won.

Before I close I will say that I have grandchildren and they treasure me, I feel well blessed, I understand the young but sometimes it is hard for the young to understand the old. For mine we are all the same young and old and we work together.

I have another view of Gary being accused of pushing Lauren out of the way which wasn't thought of by those oh so quick to accuse him of nearly everything, hadn't thought of.

He had a knee brace and when his knee joint became out of its place, he would have been in agony and needed to sit down as soon as he could to take the weight off it and replace the brace correctly.

I have a really bad back and after a while need to sit down, even on strong painkillers and when it becomes unbearable, it is hard not to panic to reach the nearest chair. I think Lauren was in his way, his first thought was to ease the pain and I can see that this is what he did and Lauren was pushed to the side.

But not in the book of the other horrible housemates, oh he pushed a woman, how rude. I back Gary totally as he apologised afterwards when his pain eased, Lauren agreed but James, Edelle and Dee kept on and on.

I found Dee, James, Edelle and George to be the most selfish people I have ever seen and I hope they get their fair share of criticism out of the house.

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Sorry Adamski - But all of James **** spews out of his mouth. Why I bet he even has brown smears on that flesh-pink lip gloss he wears, vile bastard.:laugh::joker::thumbs:

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I'm older than him but would love the chance to be in a toilet with him with no witnesses. I swear I would make this vile immature bully dance - to my tune.

And how many times did James tell Gary that he loved him in the house? Disgusting, 2-faced ****

I bought the paper today and in gary's interview he said that every housemate was rude towards him but james and george was the worst.

And gary says I wasn't rude - they were rude to me. james and george especially. they were a tandem team of rudeness every day.

If this the case is only audley was not rude towards him according to gary.

Can't find it on line by the way.

Lol, even Frenchy.

I reckon each and everyone of them could call the other rude and find examples if they wanted to. Hope this all doesn't go on too long as it is not exactly doing anyone any favours now.

Why not they all got well paid, why shouldnt that include giving assistance to another housemate if necessary.

Because they're not carers? and they don't put people in there that need carers..

Well maybe if they had cared a bit more they might have had a chance of winning.

We can debate all we like about the merits of putting him in there but when the housemates entered they were faced with an elderly man with health problems. They should have gone from there.

When did this poo on the hands incident happen?

It seems odd that it was never shown or mentioned in the programme, but the shower thing was.

He didn't need carers - but James took it upon himself to force his assistance on Gary because Gary wasn't doing things to his satisfaction. He singled Gary out because he considered him his biggest threat and he made an easy target because of his age.

Every year people complain about the bb house being filthy - men peeing on the toilet seat etc - but never has anyone made such a big fuss about it as James.

If James couldn't cope with some other people's level of hygeine - he shouldn't have gone in there. Personally I have more of a problem with the filth that comes of of James' mouth than how often an elderly man has a shower.

Hate to say it but I agree with him.

12 other people cant be wrong, are we all really that gullable and believing the edit over the actual people who have lived with him?

Don't get me wrong I loved Gary as a housemate but these people had to live with him and from what 99% of them are saying its clear we were only shown one side of Garys character.

Why should he have to cope with someone not washing? or someone pissing on the toilet seat, or not flushing the toilet after them.. just cause other people might not have made a fuss over it doesn't mean everyone else should silently deal with it.

And why should an elderly man have James' hygiene standards forced on him. With people of a certain age, you make allowances. It is a simple as that.

James wasn't big enough to do so. He was far more concerned with using the situation to belittle Gary and gain airtime for himself. Total creep.

Not that many allowances I'm afraid.

What did gary do that was so terrible?

All of that is minor compared to pissing in the pool.

Give me an eccentric old Hollywood star to the thief and the out of work angry, bitter dancer any day.

Gary won because he had character and people liked him - get over it.

get over what? we're not even discussing him winning omg :laugh:

So many sore losers over this result. It has to be the best result ever.

In a way we are - if the majority of people were so concerned with such trivialities as Gary's hygiene habits - he wouldn't have won. He won because he was entertaining and likeable. I hope James chokes on it.

we were in no way discussing him winning, we were discussing his hygiene and peoples understandable lack of tolerance towards it..

But the fact they tolerated Lauren peeing in the pool shows that their problem with gary wasn't hygiene.

Stephanie was horrible to Gary and claimed it was because she was a germaphobe, but when Lauren admitted to peeing in the pool stephanie said it was hilarious.

Their problem with gary was his fame. The hygiene thing was just a stick to beat him with.

Agreed. If I had been in the pool with her, I would not have been happy. It seems Stephanie's so-called germaphobia was 'adaptable'. Very convenient.

I can remember 2 housemates in the normal bb who had disabilities and required assistance,(Mikey whose blind & steve who had lost both legs) the other housemates just got on with it, and they werent being paid for any of it.!
They gave the impression that it was just part of the bb experience. If they could deal with it I dont see why overpaid divas like Dee&James should moan.
Personally I would like to see more disabled/older people in both bbs.
Disability can happen to anyone, age happens to most people(including you some day Liam). Needing assistance shouldnt be used as an excuse not to allow someone to be bb contestant. Furthermore under the new disability discrimination law it would be illegal anyway.
So Liam you may have to get used seeing people who need assistance on your TV, and indeed on BB. In my opnion that is as it should be! :shrug:

The issue of whether or not Gary should have gone in is irrelevant. He was in there and the other HMs should have accepted it.

Does anyone honestly think Gary was constantly leaving excrement all over the place - massive exaggeration. If so, why didn't they all go en masse to BB and demand the place be cleared out. Perhaps it happened once or twice as might be the case with a brain damaged elderly man - in which case, you simply accept it and move on.

Initially James tried helping Gary but as soon as he heard boos for him and cheers for Gary, he changed. He was damn sure he was going to try to mentally break him down and get him to shout or be aggressive back so he would look bad. Most of them knew he was their main competition and they couldn't stand it - so they did everything they could to bully, humiliate and ridicule him.

If had been unpopular and booed all the time, you can bet your life nothing would have been said. James and Dee are colossal bad losers and ultimately stupid too - if you hear someone getting cheers all the time and you get boos, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise what might be going on.

But what is the most unforgiveable of all is that they will not let it go. After the show would have been the perfect opportunity to bury the hatchet, wish him well, say no hard feelings it was just a game, congratulations on your win. And at least leave him with a modicum of dignity. The fact they are trying to character assassinate him in the most degrading way shows 2 people who are unspeakably cruel and heartless. They simply don't care. And for that, they deserve every bit of bile they get from every quarter.

It is now time James and Dee got over the fact that Gary won, no matter what they say, the majority of voters are happy and the result is final. They are just making themselves look silly, bitter and petty now and doing themselves even less favours than previously. The pair of them should be sent to an old folks home for a month to work for free.

Also, 12 people did not come out of there saying the same thing. Claire King, Frenchy and Kellie did not and we know what Audley said. James/Dee gand came out saying that, Leslie was apologetic and showed some understanding and Lauren was saying Gary tried hard when things were brought up, so James is a liar.

12 people did not agree with James, James/Dee gang agreed.

If you look at the state of the B.B. houses in previous shows, they are all disgusting, Kim Woodburn went in and found dirty knickers on the floor. Jay wiped his bum on Louise's pillow, we have had to watch twosecond Steve shag a robot, people dry dishes with hand towels, much, much worse has gone on in B.B. over the years, than an elderly, disabled man bumbling along in this series. If the housemates were caring, kind and patient, this would never have been an issue, but it was plain to see, these "celebs" bar a small few, were not nice people.

"Gary, we love you"............."He's a vile human being"

They put James in there and he needs a Mental Health Carer. :nono::nono:

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Gary won, James didn't, get over it James you overgrown baby. Someone needs to stick a dummy in James mouth. Although did love and will be one of my favourite bits of this CBB that James got to the final three, then was pipped at the post by not just Gary, but also Audley. Double blow :laugh3:

Tbh the more I think about it the more I find the scenario hard to believe. The way they kicked off about every little thing there would have been pandemonian if even a snif of **** was whiffed. Also they would have been in the diary room bitching about it every opportunity and it would have been brought up in noms. They were hardly a group of people to hold back until they came out. Stephanie made it up and James has jumped on it to try to vindicate himself.