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Jack_ 27-06-2015 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 7937069)
WRONG
Saying 'wrong' doesn't make it wrong. Usually in a debate you cite evidence and reasoning to back up your claims, as I have done continuously.

But whatever floats your boat...

Glenn. 27-06-2015 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 7937069)
WRONG
Some lovely and intellectual input there

Griffin5779 27-06-2015 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7936955)
I don't know how many times I'm going to have to keep separating this argument out into individual segments but it's really tiring

Yes he gave as good as he got on other days, yes he gave as good as he got at the start of the argument, yes he gave as good as he got at the end of the argument, yes he shouted at her, yes he blamed her and Marc, yes yes yes.

However, in one particular scene that everyone seems to be airbrushing out of history, and I'd recommend you go and watch it back, he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, and Helen continued to goad him, deliberately antagonising him (and admitting to doing so herself, 'I am going to antagonise you') and was smirking and getting enjoyment out of the fact that at that particular moment, in that particular scene, he was showing signs of weakness. What preceded that or came after that is irrelevant. In that one scene, she was a bully.
you know what...i watched it back .....

And what i wasn't not a poor weak brian..but an angry brianm..who had already had 1 blow up ..and was sat on the soaf..shaking with angry..forcing a exaggerated smile not unlike the joker in batman. I saw Brian..up on his feet..shouting in a loud angry voice...repeated calling helen a scum bag..no sign of being on the verge of tears in the least..

but i thank you for for suggesting i rematch it..helens comments where out of line...but in light of brian's joker impression..i can see where she was coming from

Glenn. 27-06-2015 05:43 PM
No one can defend that moment that's the great part. It's fun to see these Helen fans skirt around it because the have to admit that she was a bullying disgusting person.

Jack_ 27-06-2015 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937078)
I've also yet to see anyone who can defend that moment without saying 'Brian did this'
Exactly, and it's beyond tiring. I have never once said Brian did nothing wrong and have on multiple occasions pointed out he said things he shouldn't have as well, but there were separate parts to that argument and the one where he sat on the sofa without retaliating as Helen went at him is an example of bullying. Nothing more, nothing less.

Had that scene not happened, and it had just been them two arguing and shouting abuse (even with Helen making those comments) I wouldn't have had a problem and would probably still be defending her to be honest.

Glenn. 27-06-2015 05:44 PM
It's the 'he wasn't shaking and crying he was aggressive' route lmao

Tom4784 27-06-2015 05:45 PM
She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.

Lampfan 27-06-2015 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7937094)
She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.
Who's defending her?

Show me a post defending her.

Livia 27-06-2015 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7937094)
She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.
Okay now you can close the thread.

spot_on 27-06-2015 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7937036)
I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.
Please post a link to the scene. As I remembered, Brian started that one too, then after he started it chose to remain silent.

Any ways, whether he did start that particular fight or not is irrelevant. The fact is that they both had a history together, both fought with each other, and both hold their own against each other. That fact that now, after all these fights, all of a sudden now Brian is being "bullied" is utterly ridiculous and does a disservice to all those in school who are really bullied.

Helen definitely crossed the line with her comments about Brian looking like a rapist. But guess what, things like that get said in the heat of the moment. Brian has called her a disgusting human being and other bad things time and time again, but nobody said anything.

chuff me dizzy 27-06-2015 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937080)
Some lovely and intellectual input there
Stick to the topic please

Pete. 27-06-2015 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7937101)
Okay now you can close the thread.
Yep!

Lampfan 27-06-2015 05:49 PM
Nah

LukeB 27-06-2015 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7937101)
Okay now you can close the thread.
:fc:

Jack_ 27-06-2015 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by spot_on (Post 7937102)
Please post a link to the scene. As I remembered, Brian started that one too, then after he started it chose to remain silent.

Any ways, whether he did start that particular fight or not is irrelevant. The fact is that they both had a history together, both fought with each other, and both hold their own against each other. That fact that now, after all these fights, all of a sudden now Brian is being "bullied" is utterly ridiculous and does a disservice to all those in school who are really bullied.

Helen definitely crossed the line with her comments about Brian looking like a rapist. But guess what, things like that get said in the heat of the moment. Brian has called her a disgusting human being and other bad things time and time again, but nobody said anything.
I was actually going to ask someone else to post it, it's not something I ever want to watch again because I found it so uncomfortable and saddening. But it'd be great if someone else could clip the one I'm talking about for me.

They did hold their own against each other in every other fight and even in other parts of that argument, you are right indeed, and I didn't have a problem with any other part of the argument (yes, even the comments, as disgusting as they were) and was actually finding their feuds entertaining because they were a level playing field, but that one particular scene was not level because he sat there in silence and she continued to goad, mock and antagonise him deliberately by her own admission which is bullying, whether in real life or on a TV show.

I need to make this distinction. Every other instance of their arguments Brian was not being bullied because he gave as good as he got, but in that one particular instance that I've outlined, he was bullied. Again, if you continue to abuse someone who isn't retaliating and don't know when to stop, as Helen at that moment didn't, you are being a bully.

Griffin5779 27-06-2015 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937078)
I've also yet to see anyone who can defend that moment without saying 'Brian did this'
And thats is different from defending brians behavior by saying helen made him do it because? maybe if brian hadn't been loud and aggressive and repeatedly called her a scumbag she wouldn't have

Glenn. 27-06-2015 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lampfan (Post 7937100)
Who's defending her?

Show me a post defending her.
There's like 4 pages to take your pick from.

Glenn. 27-06-2015 05:52 PM
3 pages

Liam- 27-06-2015 05:53 PM
Close every thread that doesn't suit or pander to the majority's opinions :fist:

Glenn. 27-06-2015 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Griffin5779 (Post 7937120)
And thats is different from defending brians behavior by saying helen made him do it because? maybe if brian hadn't been loud and aggressive and repeatedly called her a scumbag she wouldn't have
Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.

Griffin5779 27-06-2015 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937132)
Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.
They where having an argument..he put in his 2 pence say they tag teamed him...saying they where dementers...she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry..again..he didn't manage it..and this poor lost soul you want to say was broken and on the verge of tears was back on his feet shouting angrily and repeatedly calling her as scumbag..i have no problem with her pressing her case in an argument he started

chuff me dizzy 27-06-2015 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937132)
Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.

Helen was doing a task and answered the question about Nikki.the maniac was sat staring at her, nostrils flaring ,foaming at the mouth then he butted in,Helen made him look a total twat, and he bottled it and went over the wall ,with his bowels trailing behind him .......remember we ALL watched the show

JamesBond 27-06-2015 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7937036)
I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.
It's not bullying when someone keeps starting arguments with you and you finally stand up for yourself. Helen held back as long as she could knowing that she would destroy Brian if she lost her cool.

Yes her words were extreme and if she could go back I'm sure she would have chosen them more carefully. However he is aggressive as we saw in that argument and he is a pervert which we saw on day one when the so called legends entered the bunker. One of the first this he said to Helen was your boobs look good, I would call highly inappropriate but the rest of the world decides to give Brian pass for being unashamedly pervy. Helen could have complained or left the house and made a big fuss about being made to feel uncomfortable but she laughed it off.

Glenn. 27-06-2015 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Griffin5779 (Post 7937158)
They where having an argument..he put in his 2 pence say they tag teamed him...saying they where dementers...she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry..again..he didn't manage it..and this poor lost soul you want to say was broken and on the verge of tears was back on his feet shouting angrily and repeatedly calling her as scumbag..i have no problem with her pressing her case in an argument he started
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 7937162)
Helen was doing a task and answered the question about Nikki.the maniac was sat staring at her, nostrils flaring ,foaming at the mouth then he butted in,Helen made him look a total twat, and he bottled it and went over the wall ,with his bowels trailing behind him .......remember we ALL watched the show
Both of you again failed to address the instant Jack and I have stated. Try again.

Lampfan 27-06-2015 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937122)
There's like 4 pages to take your pick from.
You're reading diffirent things to me then.

Criticizing Brian is defending Helen, how?

chuff me dizzy 27-06-2015 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 7937163)
It's not bullying when someone keeps starting arguments with you and you finally stand up for yourself. Helen held back as long as she could knowing that she would destroy Brian if she lost her cool.

Yes her words were extreme and if she could go back I'm sure she would have chosen them more carefully. However he is aggressive as we saw in that argument and he is a pervert which we saw on day one when the so called legends entered the bunker. One of the first this he said to Helen was your boobs look good, I would call highly inappropriate but the rest of the world decides to give Brian pass for being unashamedly pervy. Helen could have complained or left the house and made a big fuss about being made to feel uncomfortable but she laughed it off.
:clap1: ..Belo should have been removed the week before when Helen told BB he scared her, but they left her to sort him out herself, and she did

Glenn. 27-06-2015 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lampfan (Post 7937176)
You're reading diffirent things to me then.

Criticizing Brian is defending Helen, how?
How is it anything but defending Helen?

spot_on 27-06-2015 06:08 PM
I'm sorry, but when you continuously pick fights with somebody you lose the right to claim you were "bullied". He's not some innocent fat kid in school who the popular kids pick on. Brian is not innocent, he can defend himself, and he was constantly an instigator. Hence in no way, shape, or form was he bullied.

Glenn. 27-06-2015 06:09 PM
Yes he was

Vicky. 27-06-2015 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937184)
How is it anything but defending Helen?
It IS possible to believe Brian acted like a bellend throughout his stay, whilst feeling bad for him having Helen say what she eventually said...

Disliking one persons behavior doesn't mean you have to defend the other involved persons behavior too :shrug:

Liam- 27-06-2015 06:10 PM
This thread is giving me a headache

JamesBond 27-06-2015 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 7937182)
:clap1: ..Belo should have been removed the week before when Helen told BB he scared her, but they left her to sort him out herself, and she did
She was def worried about him, he's a creepy one I'll tell ya.

Griffin5779 27-06-2015 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7937036)
I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.
it isn't bullying to press your advantage in an argument..

it not that no one hasn't explained it or justified it..it just that you don't except what they say...

can you prove you aren't wrong? that sounds like the kinda thing helen would say

spot_on 27-06-2015 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937188)
Yes he was
awwwe, poor brian "it wasn't me who nominated you" bello the victim. So defenseless, so weak, so unable to defend himself, We should all pity this poor child.

chuff me dizzy 27-06-2015 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spot_on (Post 7937186)
I'm sorry, but when you continuously pick fights with somebody you lose the right to claim you were "bullied". He's not some innocent fat kid in school who the popular kids pick on. Brian is not innocent, he can defend himself, and he was constantly an instigator. Hence in no way, shape, or form was he bullied.
And Helen is a woman,who maybe weighs 8 stone wet through,he's maybe used to women backing down to him ,but he met his match ,and what sent him over the edge was when she cornered him by asking him what he would do to her if the cameras wasn't there, THATS what pissed him off,because he KNEW what would happen

Pete. 27-06-2015 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7937196)
This thread is giving me a headache
Same :laugh:

Glenn. 27-06-2015 06:14 PM
The Brian is a woman beater argument again. Grasping at straws

Griffin5779 27-06-2015 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasar (Post 7937170)
Both of you again failed to address the instant Jack and I have stated. Try again.
"she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry"

Yes i did....he wasn't on the verge of tears..she was continuing an argument...

are you suggesting that in an argument..if your opponent stops talking you are required to as well? he wasn't picked on..he wasn't bullied..he was out argued..and lost his temper as a result..again

bots 27-06-2015 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7936920)
Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.



I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.
The thing is you cant take one part of a conversation out of context and call it bullying. Brian initiated the events that started that conflict with completely over the top and aggressive behaviour. I will use the slightly more acceptable term, he looked demented. A perfectly accurate description for how he looked and behaved. Helen may not have the command of English that others have, but her meaning was clear. She felt unsettled and scared by his behaviour. Lets also not forget it took the large housemates to keep Brian from going at Helen.

No matter how you want to describe it, if someone behaves in the aggressive manner that Brian was, he was not being bullied, and to say he was is a gross misinterpretation of the situation

chuff me dizzy 27-06-2015 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7937225)
The thing is you cant take one part of a conversation out of context and call it bullying. Brian initiated the events that started that conflict with completely over the top and aggressive behaviour. I will use the slightly more acceptable term, he looked demented. A perfectly accurate description for how he looked and behaved. Helen may not have the command of English that others have, but her meaning was clear. She felt unsettled and scared by his behaviour. Lets also not forget it took the large housemates to keep Brian from going at Helen.

No matter how you want to describe it, if someone behaves in the aggressive manner that Brian was, he was not being bullied, and to say he was is a gross misinterpretation of the situation
He needed a straight jacket?


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