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Kizzy 03-11-2015 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264156)
Fundamentalist Muslims have made it clear they they will not stop until their flag is flying over the UK Parliament and the White House. Did you miss that report, Josh? Or do you think they weren't in earnest.

The aim of the fundamentalist muslim is to kill every infidel. You cannot equate fundamentalist muslims with any other fundamentalist sect because THEY are the only one's who've vowed to kill us all.

You've got to take the blinkers off. Not all Muslims are terrorists, we know that very clearly. But you cannot underestimate the danger of the fundamentalist muslim.

Incidentally... "piss off"? Is that a suitable rebuff for Serious Debates do you think?
Nedusa seems to be confusing UK Muslims with ISIS, the line does seem very blurry so I can see why Josh would suggest the post was incendiary.

kirklancaster 03-11-2015 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264156)
Fundamentalist Muslims have made it clear they they will not stop until their flag is flying over the UK Parliament and the White House. Did you miss that report, Josh? Or do you think they weren't in earnest.

The aim of the fundamentalist muslim is to kill every infidel. You cannot equate fundamentalist muslims with any other fundamentalist sect because THEY are the only one's who've vowed to kill us all.

You've got to take the blinkers off. Not all Muslims are terrorists, we know that very clearly. But you cannot underestimate the danger of the fundamentalist muslim.

Incidentally... "piss off"? Is that a suitable rebuff for Serious Debates do you think?
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Livia 03-11-2015 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8264162)
The goal of ALL organised religion is to 'conquer', they aren't belief systems, they're control systems. people dreamed up every religion as a way to control the superstitious masses back when Science wasn't a thing.
Not all religions' aim is to conquer. Judaism isn't a recruiting religion. People can convert if they wish but we have no missionaries and we do not actively recruit.


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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8264169)
Nedusa seems to be confusing UK Muslims with ISIS, the line does seem very blurry so I can see why Josh would suggest the post was incendiary.
If all UK Muslims were moderate then that'd be fine. The problem is that they aren't, and we can't tell at a glance which few, out of the millions here, are the terrorists. It's not incendiary to say there are terrorist Muslims in the UK because it's true.

Kizzy 03-11-2015 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264214)

If all UK Muslims were moderate then that'd be fine. The problem is that they aren't, and we can't tell at a glance which few, out of the millions here, are the terrorists. It's not incendiary to say there are terrorist Muslims in the UK because it's true.
To infer that they are a creeping rot hell bent on the destruction of the UK as we know it... is this, is it reminiscent of anything?
I find the foreshadowing taint of Nedusas posts rather distasteful if I'm honest.
And if I had your irrational distrust of people my shop around Bradford wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable.

Livia 03-11-2015 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8264224)
To infer that they are a creeping rot hell bent on the destruction of the UK as we know it... is this, is it reminiscent of anything?
I find the foreshadowing taint of Nedusas posts rather distasteful if I'm honest.
And if I had your irrational distrust of people my shop around Bradford wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable.
My "irrational distrust"? I come from east London, I used to shop in Green Street. It's hardly like Muslims are a mystery to me. That doesn't mean that I'm not aware that there are some who do not wish us well.Do you not think there are any terrorist muslims here? Really? Do you think Lee Rigby cut his own head off? Even the Muslim Council of Great Britain doesn't stick its head that far into the sand.

If I had your irrational complacency about the security of our country... well that's just stupid, because I wouldn't.

Kizzy 03-11-2015 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264231)
My "irrational distrust"? I come from east London, I used to shop in Green Street. It's hardly like Muslims are a mystery to me. That doesn't mean that I'm not aware that there are some who do not wish us well.Do you not think there are any terrorist muslims here? Really? Do you think Lee Rigby cut his own head off? Even the Muslim Council of Great Britain doesn't stick its head that far into the sand.

If I had your irrational complacency about the security of our country... well that's just stupid, because I wouldn't.
In a few short posts we have gotten from a man detained illegally to Lee Rigby... I declare this the new Godwins Law.
Irrational and hysterical in equal measure.

Livia 03-11-2015 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8264238)
In a few short posts we have gotten from a man detained illegally to Lee Rigby... I declare this the new Godwins Law.
Irrational and hysterical in equal measure.
"Gotten"? Really...?

The reason it got to Lee Rigby is that YOU intimated that there aren't any Muslims in this country, that we are not at risk... You are not the only person who can take a conversation on a circuitous route to make a point. It's just when anyone else does it, up you come with the ridicule.

Kizzy 03-11-2015 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264243)
"Gotten"? Really...?

The reason it got to Lee Rigby is that YOU intimated that there aren't any Muslims in this country, that we are not at risk... You are not the only person who can take a conversation on a circuitous route to make a point. It's just when anyone else does it, up you come with the ridicule.
You have an issue with my colloquialism now?

I didn't say there weren't any Muslims in the country, I have an issue with the prejudiced tone of some posts in the thread.
I've made that very clear.

kirklancaster 03-11-2015 01:49 PM
This guy was NOT imprisoned for being a suspected MUSLIM, he was detained for being a suspected TERRORIST, and as this thread is about him, then it is quite evident that Nedusa was referring to terrorists and not ordinary moderate Muslims.

Livia 03-11-2015 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8264264)
You have an issue with my colloquialism now?

I didn't say there weren't any Muslims in the country, I have an issue with the prejudiced tone of some posts in the thread.
I've made that very clear.
It's not a colloquialism, it's an Americanism.

And I made it clear that I understand that the overwhelming majority of muslims in the UK are not terrorist... but that there are a very small minority who are, or who are linked to terrorist organisations.

kirklancaster 03-11-2015 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8264153)
You clearly know absolutely nothing about Islam, and are living in a dreamworld if you think they will be content to all live side by side and just "get on".

I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists that is ridiculous but their religion is at odds against all NON Muslim religions and they will never, ever integrate into your cosy little world view. They are tasked with trying to spread their evil hate filled toxic "religion" at all costs. and whether they do it through direct force ie terrorism/direct military action or the slow game where they establish themselves in ever increasing numbers through high Birth rates etc... the fact is they are not interested in this Country, it's religion, culture or it's peoples they only want this country as part of a wider global Caliphate.

Why do so many people have trouble in understanding this...
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Kizzy 03-11-2015 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264267)
It's not a colloquialism, it's an Americanism.

And I made it clear that I understand that the overwhelming majority of muslims in the UK are not terrorist... but that there are a very small minority who are, or who are linked to terrorist organisations.
Nope...

In the main varieties of English from outside North America, the past participle of get in all its senses is usually got. Gotten appears occasionally, and it is standard in a few set phrases such as ill-gotten gains, but the shorter form prevails by a large margin.

That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century

http://grammarist.com/usage/got-gotten/

I have never suggested that no Muslim has ever committed a terrorist act, once again it was the inference in some posts that I objected to.

Northern Monkey 03-11-2015 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264231)
If I had your irrational complacency about the security of our country...
You'd be Jeremy Corbyn....


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Livia 03-11-2015 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8264274)
Nope...

In the main varieties of English from outside North America, the past participle of get in all its senses is usually got. Gotten appears occasionally, and it is standard in a few set phrases such as ill-gotten gains, but the shorter form prevails by a large margin.

That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century

http://grammarist.com/usage/got-gotten/

I have never suggested that no Muslim has ever committed a terrorist act, once again it was the inference in some posts that I objected to.

No amount of Googling, cutting and pasting will make "gotten" acceptable in modern British English, Kizzy. It was once acceptable but not for about two hundred years... like you yourself posted! We used to use a Z in words like colonize and dramatize... but it's not acceptable now. But hey, if you think it's okay to use an outdated term, you crack on.

I don't understand why you were addressing your inference from other posts to my replies though. Strange... because I don't feel I said anything at all anti-muslim.

Kizzy 03-11-2015 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264281)
No amount of Googling, cutting and pasting will make "gotten" acceptable in modern British English, Kizzy. It was once acceptable but not for about two hundred years... like you yourself posted! We used to use a Z in words like colonize and dramatize... but it's not acceptable now. But hey, if you think it's okay to use an outdated term, you crack on.

I don't understand why you were addressing your inference from other posts to my replies though. Strange... because I don't feel I said anything at all anti-muslim.
Why are you fixating on my choice of words?

And I haven't accused you of anything, I won't repeat myself as I have made my view perfectly clear.

Livia 03-11-2015 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8264279)
You'd be Jeremy Corbyn....


:laugh:
LOL...

kirklancaster 03-11-2015 02:31 PM
I'll tell you what's 'Irrational and hysterical in equal measure';

The continued blindness and denial of the very real, well documented threat of the murdering, terrorist fanatatics who are Muslim extremists - despite the irrefutable evidence - THAT IS IRRATIONAL.

And the way that the words; 'Racist' and 'Xenophobia' are pulled from the hat like white rabbits every time someone tells the truth about Muslim Terrorists, or Unfettered Immigration - THAT IS HYSTERICAL.

I am sick to death of seeing those words - no wonder Serious Debate is in decline.

kirklancaster 03-11-2015 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8264279)
You'd be Jeremy Corbyn....


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:laugh: Maestro - a classic. :laugh:

Kizzy 03-11-2015 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8264321)
I'll tell you what's 'Irrational and hysterical in equal measure';

The continued blindness and denial of the very real, well documented threat of the murdering, terrorist fanatatics who are Muslim extremists - despite the irrefutable evidence - THAT IS IRRATIONAL.

And the way that the words; 'Racist' and 'Xenophobia' are pulled from the hat like white rabbits every time someone tells the truth about Muslim Terrorists, or Unfettered Immigration - THAT IS HYSTERICAL.

I am sick to death of seeing those words - no wonder Serious Debate is in decline.
Why use my choice of words to highlight this?

I haven't accused anyone of being racist or xenophobic.
Nor have I denied that acts of terrorism by Muslims have happened in the UK.

People having differing views is good for serious debates I would've thought?

Nedusa 03-11-2015 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8264160)
You .................................................. ................The point.

You could at least be honest with your intent and not make up imaginary 'friends that work with the security services.' Not one person on here believes that you have a friend like that. If it's all so hush hush then why are you betraying your imaginary friend's trust by spilling it online?

You're just lying to try to justify your random inane bile.
Sorry to disappoint but I do actually have a good friend who works for the anti terrorism branch of the Met police SO13 now SO15. He can't really discuss operational issues but can tell me stories which would make your blood curdle.

Not lies, not bull**** .... Simply the truth as to what is going on in your safe little world.

I'm sorry you think I come onto this forum to spread inane random bile, I have no agenda am not racist but do love my Country , my Christian beliefs and my Culture and do think we have a duty to alert our fellow man when those values are threatened.

Crimson Dynamo 03-11-2015 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8264746)
Sorry to disappoint but I do actually have a good friend who works for the anti terrorism branch of the Met police SO13 now SO15. He can't really discuss operational issues but can tell me stories which would make your blood curdle.

Not lies, not bull**** .... Simply the truth as to what is going on in your safe little world.

I'm sorry you think I come onto this forum to spread inane random bile, I have no agenda am not racist but do love my Country , my Christian beliefs and my Culture and do think we have a duty to alert our fellow man when those values are threatened.
You tell ha Nedusa

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Livia 03-11-2015 07:30 PM
I keep reading this thread as "Fred Guantanamo...".

kirklancaster 03-11-2015 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8264992)
I keep reading this thread as "Fred Guantanamo...".
:laugh: It would make more sense than some of the posts.

Tom4784 03-11-2015 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8264746)
Sorry to disappoint but I do actually have a good friend who works for the anti terrorism branch of the Met police SO13 now SO15. He can't really discuss operational issues but can tell me stories which would make your blood curdle.

Not lies, not bull**** .... Simply the truth as to what is going on in your safe little world.

I'm sorry you think I come onto this forum to spread inane random bile, I have no agenda am not racist but do love my Country , my Christian beliefs and my Culture and do think we have a duty to alert our fellow man when those values are threatened.
That does nothing to make me believe that this 'friend' of yours actually exists and if he does then you're a terrible friend for divulging information that he told you in confidence but that doesn't matter, because he doesn't exist and you're just using this imaginary friend to justify your hate speech.

Never mind the hypocrisy of a religious person hating another religion for being violent when all religions are both based on and built upon violence.

Kizzy 03-11-2015 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8265570)
:laugh: It would make more sense than some of the posts.
Which ones, are you mocking anyone in particular or anyone with a view different to yours?

kirklancaster 03-11-2015 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8265621)
Which ones, are you mocking anyone in particular or anyone with a view different to yours?
I'm passing a very clearly JOCULAR opinion on POSTS NOT MEMBERS. Bye.

Johnnyuk123 03-11-2015 11:24 PM
Lets just say that for instance the people from Switzerland populated the UK on mass and openly spoke out about their hate towards the uk whilst recieving free housing and benefits? Is it rude of the british public to simply suggest that if they do not like it here and they continue to refuse to intergrate that they simply go back to their own country or too another country who holds their point of view?

MTVN 12-12-2015 09:58 PM
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The Briton held at Guantanamo Bay for 14 years said last night that Muslims who support terror attacks have no right to live in this country – and demanded would-be jihadis 'get the hell out'.

Shaker Aamer has spent five days talking to The Mail on Sunday in a series of world exclusive interviews – his first since his release.

Courageously, he made his angriest comments about Muslims who plot terror in Britain, even though he was tortured, beaten and held for 5,007 days at Guantanamo under suspicion of terrorist activities without ever being charged. He has been cleared by the US twice.

He also expressed revulsion at the murder of hostages by Islamic State, saying the extremist group's treatment of prisoners had abused basic principles of Islamic law.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3u9NBmIoc
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Remarkable really, good on him

bots 12-12-2015 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8350317)
Remarkable really, good on him
I can see where he is coming from. There are going to be many more people locked up because this environment exists, and innocents may well get caught up in it.

arista 13-12-2015 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8350317)
Remarkable really, good on him

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-563x750.jpg

DemolitionRed 13-12-2015 11:54 AM
Wait, are some here suggesting that all those thorough investigations that proved this guys innocence a sham? I have to ask those people, do you believe our legal system is just a very naive bunch? or is it actually corrupt?

billy123 13-12-2015 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8264746)
Sorry to disappoint but I do actually have a good friend who works for the anti terrorism branch of the Met police SO13 now SO15. He can't really discuss operational issues but can tell me stories which would make your blood curdle.

Not lies, not bull**** .... Simply the truth as to what is going on in your safe little world.

I'm sorry you think I come onto this forum to spread inane random bile, I have no agenda am not racist but do love my Country , my Christian beliefs and my Culture and do think we have a duty to alert our fellow man when those values are threatened.
Your posts lately are starting to sound like the rants of an angry extremist.

Nedusa 14-12-2015 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8264321)
I'll tell you what's 'Irrational and hysterical in equal measure';

The continued blindness and denial of the very real, well documented threat of the murdering, terrorist fanatatics who are Muslim extremists - despite the irrefutable evidence - THAT IS IRRATIONAL.

And the way that the words; 'Racist' and 'Xenophobia' are pulled from the hat like white rabbits every time someone tells the truth about Muslim Terrorists, or Unfettered Immigration - THAT IS HYSTERICAL.

I am sick to death of seeing those words - no wonder Serious Debate is in decline.
:clap2::clap2::clap2:

Nedusa 14-12-2015 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 8350934)
Your posts lately are starting to sound like the rants of an angry extremist.
substitute the word extremist for patriot and you would be correct...

Marsh. 14-12-2015 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8262024)
'My dad works for Nintendo'
:laugh2:

lostalex 14-12-2015 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 8257223)
..seriously? I'm not one to call people racist, but I find it extremely unlikely you'd be saying this if he was of white british ethnicity.
there was a similar case with a white Australian guy, David something, and i'd say the same thing about him, a white guy. There's no doubt in my mind this guy was up to no good. The US can't prosecute him because the evidence they have they'd have to reveal in court and to the public how they got that evidence and it would hurt the wider war on terrorism.

bots 14-12-2015 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8354100)
there was a similar case with a white Australian guy, David something, and i'd say the same thing about him, a white guy. There's no doubt in my mind this guy was up to no good. The US can't prosecute him because the evidence they have they'd have to reveal in court and to the public how they got that evidence and it would hurt the wider war on terrorism.
that's an excuse, and cannot be used. If the US didn't prosecute it is because they had no admissible evidence, an important factor in determining anyone's innocence or guilt.

The guy was innocent, full stop.

Tom4784 14-12-2015 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8350317)
Remarkable really, good on him
He's a better man than me, if someone robbed me of fourteen years of my life with no evidence of wrongdoing then I'd be out for blood and suing all involved.

King Gizzard 14-12-2015 01:19 PM
Nobel award sorted for next year then

This is the guy Frankie Boyle campaigned for right

lostalex 14-12-2015 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by St. Nicolas Cage (Post 8354243)
Nobel award sorted for next year then

This is the guy Frankie Boyle campaigned for right
Isn't Frankie Boyle also known for offending various minority groups?


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