If they were born here they would be entitled. Those coming here to take advantage of our NHS and benefits system would not be.

You seem to have a money grows on trees mentally and somehow everything will be ok way of thinking. A reality check would be good.

Oh right.. So it really was anout nationality all along... Is this one of those 'its not racism, its patriotism' moments.

You are not denied health care you just have to pay for it just like you would if you lived in Ireland, 50 Euros for a visit to the GP in Ireland isn't it, more now probably? And if you need an interpreter either take a friend fluent in the language or pay for one, it seems fair to me

Are all people born here the same colour - so no it isn't. It's about resources, fairness and people trying to get something for nothing not being rewarded for that.

I think the difference with countries like France and Spain is that they don't bend over backwards for people who want to emigrate there, they can come but they don't get extra special treatment, that's why UK, UK is so appealing for some

I wouldn't move to a foreign country if I couldn't speak the language but I wouldn't demand it of others.

Good job your'e not as we probably would not have an NHS now. I hope you can afford private insurance.

I dont understand your conclusion, I have made no suggestions for any changes to the health system and we currently have an NHS.. Seems like you put one and one together and got 27.

Nice to see the anti globalisation weed growing and bearing fruit....

If language is a barrier to an adequate diagnosis and a possible medical negligence claim then it makes perfect sense to remove it.

How was the NHS functioning and in many areas self funding until recently? It's not the cost of interpreters, it's the fact the profit generating areas have been sold off.

I am not sure if I understand the question ? where is my poetry translator :joker:

Shame On YOU

Interpreters are expensive, you support people coming here and getting free access to this service and other NHS services and you believe whoever wants to come here and take from the pot for free should be able to.

This will speed up the end of the NHS - or do you believe that is just scaremongering. As I said we will all have to pay for private insurance soon if we continue to give to those that haven't paid in.

Is it acceptable for people to live in Britain but not speak English?


No . not anymore NM

Law and Order

Why should I be ashamed? I don't claim benefits or burden anyone, I try very hard to learn, it's not really my fault that I'm not picking it up quickly.

You are slacking

:nono: I am not, I even studied today, on a Sunday!

Ive said nothing about immigration levels.. All UK citizens are entitled to NHS regardless of their nationality, wealth, language comprehension and taxable income. Ie. Exactly whats happening right now. Sorry that you think there needs to be changes, maybe you just need to support our British way of life or leave the country.

That's good then.

Should British soldiers learn arabic?

Those with language comprehension should have to pay for the use of an interpreter. They should not expect it. Many taxpayers do not agree with this being provided free of charge.

Maybe those that support this uneccessary expense could sign on to pay a higher tax rate to pay on their behalf - therefore putting their money where their mouths are. Seems fair to me.

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If it means keeping them in the classroom and keeping them away from the front line risking their lives for those that don't appreciate the risk they take - then yes.

Well at least youre consistent.
Although, I think its relatively safe to disregard all of your other posts in this thread if you think this is a good idea.

a few do

You clearly have no respect for those that risk their lives for the rest of us. Disregard away, clearly our belief systems are poles apart.

Btw have you given any thought to putting your money where your mouth is. If so, maybe our NHS can survive a little longer.

Should all be forced before they work there?

I think you need to read posts a few times before responding to them. This isnt the first time in the thread you made up an argument.

Ok what did your comments about British soldiers learning Arabic mean then, because it came across to me as a dig at the soldiers. Please correct me if I am wrong.

It was a dig at hypocrites who might think it is vital for people to learn English before coming to England, but would also suggest that it isnt vital for British soldiers to learn Arabic. When in reality they can both fulfill their job without learning the language, so it is unnecessary.

Soldiers was the example I used, it can be stretched out to British holiday reps, journalists, TEFL teachers, dancers and actors too. Language comprehension just isnt needed for some jobs and its ridiculous to claim it is, especially if it only works one way.

Well I do disagree with the first paragraph, but fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.

it was obvious walking into the thread what it was actually going to be about lol

Perhaps you should read the response to that comment before being so quick to judge.

Same for me, I was on the bus today and there was a foreign guy trying to ask the bus driver a question but his English was so bad the driver couldn't help him (I couldn't understand what he was asking either), it's just little things like that that must be really difficult day to day (and so of course the big things would be even worse) so I don't think I could do it myself. People make their own choices though and I don't think it should be forced onto anyone.

I actually think there should be a universal language anyway, I don't know exactly how it would come about but if you think about it the only reason we have different languages in the first place is because we weren't able to travel to each others countries. I think one day the idea of different people in the world speaking different languages will seem archaic.

I think people all over the world should learn Lojban. Although I guess theres not many Lojban teachers about!

I'd never heard of it but it does sound interesting! It's not the catchiest of names but I'm here for it anyway :laugh: :clap1:

Absolutely yes, they will if they settle here gradually pick up a fair bit of our language.
I have no problem with that whatsoever.

"Acceptable"? Yes. Although for their own comfort and ease of living, I would suggest that anyone living in any country long-term should be at least trying to learn the language. Not exactly fair to say they should just "be able to speak it". That **** takes time. I had a Greek friend at University and his English was "very basic" at best when he first got here, and was only really becoming conversationally fluent by 3rd year. I have no idea how he was following his lectures :joker:. Though he was an Engineering student so a lot of it is Maths, I guess, and he could always understand more than he could actually speak.

How is anyone going to earn a living if they don't speak the language? I could speak German when I worked in Germany and I learned Italian when I worked in Italy. If you don't speak the language, or at least make an effort, you're going to end up isolated, ghettos form, exclusion ensues.

English courses for speakers of other languages are free to applicants, there's no excuse.

An effort should be made.

I learn Spanish and Portuguese to a basic level when i lived in Brazil and Mexico.

If you're living in a foreign country then you should be able to speak at least the basics of the language.