Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9375903)

I'm not saying this guy isn't guilty.Of course he is.No normal person would even contemplate something like that but it seems as though he was reacting to previous attacks in his own warped way.It's been described as a 'revenge attack'.Hate breeds more hate.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9375902)

I mean the numbers of Muslims around the globe far exceed the numbers of right wing people in the West, so its not that much of a stretch. Perhaps ult-right would have been more accurate though... although I'd imagine terrorism within an ult-right group on average would surpass an Islamic group on average - you get the point though, lets mot be pedantic!

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9375886)

My point was that terrorism is as much of a problem within Islam as terrorism is a problem within right wingedness in the West.
Should we lump everybody from both groups in to one because of a few select people? No.
Is that political correctness? No, its just correctness.
Do I have a solution short of attemptig to ban right wing media and ISIS spouting hatred? unfortunately, no. Do you?

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9375891)

Well this is either you straight up lying or you (once again) completely misunderstanding what's been said and rewriting things to suit your agenda.

I have seen people say that the west is partly responsible for the state of the Middle East and I agree with that assessment. We helped create a power vacuum that gave rise to organisations like ISIS. That's pretty much a fact at this point but nobody on this website has ever tried to vindicate a terrorist from blame (although certain people have gone out of their way to deny that terrorists are terrorists because they happened to be white) and tried to place it anyone else's door. If you are going to maintain that it's the truth then you are straight up lying.

If you disagree with someone's opinion then you argue against what they have actually said, you don't make up falsehoods to paint them as terrorist sympathisers to silence opinions you dislike.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9375952)

if we are talking proportions, i really couldn't comment as I just don't know, but in terms of sheer numbers there is no contest and with it being easy to traverse the globe (and that's not taking a pop at border control) currently, the threat from islamic terrorism is much much higher

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9375903)

I'm not saying this guy isn't guilty.Of course he is.No normal person would even contemplate something like that but it seems as though he was reacting to previous attacks in his own warped way.It's been described as a 'revenge attack'.Hate breeds more hate.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9376108)

Please don't me a liar. It has definitely been said/implied on here that the West are to blame for Islamic terrorism by a lack of acceptance into our society. So you know what you can do with your wild, unproven public allegations. Grow up.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9376538)

Then prove it, if you are going to paint anyone that disagrees with you as a terrorist sympathiser then you better be prepared to prove it.

Debate against what people actually have said, Brillo. It's not difficult, just read what people have said and argue against it, don't label people with your own misunderstood assumptions and say it's fact.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9376871)

Stop trying to dictate to me how to do things - you are in no position judging by your posting style and tone. Calling someone a liar is insulting and unproven. Either ignore my posts or if you choose to respond stick to the rules.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9375886)

My point was that terrorism is as much of a problem within Islam as terrorism is a problem within right wingedness in the West.
Should we lump everybody from both groups in to one because of a few select people? No.
Is that political correctness? No, its just correctness.
Do I have a solution short of attemptig to ban right wing media and ISIS spouting hatred? unfortunately, no. Do you?

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9376875)

So you have no proof of your claims?

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9376895)

I am not trawling through umpteen threads to prove which one of us is the liar. People can think what they want but I suspect several others know what I say is true. I don't care what you think or what you try to make others think.

I know what I know. You want to prove me a liar - BE MY GUEST. Otherwise get off my case.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9376910)

So no proof then, you've just branded people terrorist sympathisers based on nothing but your word.

Okay. that speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9376920)

Where did I say that? However you clearly branded many as simpletons - for all to see. So get off that high horse you have no right to be riding. You are the one making allegations - prove it! I am sure someone on here can tell you the onus of proof is on the prosecution.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9375685)

When you go on one of your rants about state sponsored terrorism and racism - it tends to illicit a similar response from me - the alternative is a rant induced coma.

Brendan Cox is one of many in this Country who have lost loved ones due to terrorism but you seem somewhat more preoccupied with the victim of a white terrorist.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9377238)

ir rowling wants to somehow hold farage partly responsible for the terrorist attack by this mad man from weston super mare/Cardifff..Then if we are to hold people by the same standard, she is equally guilty of shared responsibility for the radical islamic attacks by way of her deluded appeasement? shes nuts

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9377299)

Do you hold ISIS at least partially responsible for the Islamic extremists that become this way after listening to them spread irrational and inaccurate hatred towards a specific group of people.

If so then she has a point, if not then ur weird, obviously ISIS are partially responsible for islamic extremism.

You find any idiot and have them listen to someone they respect talk about a group of people that they hate - you got yourself a potential terrorist - you collect several of these idiots, a small proportion will likely act on the hatred theyve learned.

Is Farage directly partially responsible? Idk, maybe, I dunno who or what the terrorist admires
Is some sort of right wing organisation / person partially responsible? Undoubtedly yes, in the exact same way Isis is partially responsible for several terrorist attacks.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9377299)

Do you hold ISIS at least partially responsible for the Islamic extremists that become this way after listening to them spread irrational and inaccurate hatred towards a specific group of people.

If so then she has a point, if not then ur weird, obviously ISIS are partially responsible for islamic extremism.

You find any idiot and have them listen to someone they respect talk about a group of people that they hate - you got yourself a potential terrorist - you collect several of these idiots, a small proportion will likely act on the hatred theyve learned.

Is Farage directly partially responsible? Idk, maybe, I dunno who or what the terrorist admires
Is some sort of right wing organisation / person partially responsible? Undoubtedly yes, in the exact same way Isis is partially responsible for several terrorist attacks.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9377363)

Possibly the most absurd post I have ever read
Honeslty i am embarassed for you
farage is reponsible for terrorism in the same way as ISIS? did you really mean to write that?

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9377415)

I agree with the truth - it is a ridiculous comparison. Farage is a polititian not a terrorist.

ISIS on the other hand are cold blooded murderers who decapitate people and brainwash other aggressive young males and children into becoming suicide bombers. They are hardly partially responsible for Islamic extremism - they are totally responsible. Sick and twisted minds that brainwash and create other sick and twisted minds.

How many people has Farage killed- directly or indirectly. How about ISIS? The whole world can answer that one.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9377489)

If isis is partially responsible for islamic terrorism, what is partially responsible for right wing terrorism? I dont know if the terrorist supports Farage, so i cant make that claim, and i never have. But some sort of right wing person, or organisation - is - partially responsible. This guy wasnt born with a desire to kill muslims, the hatred that surrounded him made him that way.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9377503)

Maybe he was a Corbyn fan and actually wanted to get Jews but it was dark?

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9377489)

If isis is partially responsible for islamic terrorism, what is partially responsible for right wing terrorism? I dont know if the terrorist supports Farage, so i cant make that claim, and i never have. But some sort of right wing person, or organisation - is - partially responsible. This guy wasnt born with a desire to kill muslims, just like no Islamic extremist was born with the desire to murder the innocent - the hatred that surrounds them made him that way, those that create that hatred are partially responsible to some extent.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9377537)

And who created the hatred?Islamic terrorists attacking our country.If the media is correct that this was a revenge attack

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9376920)

Where did I say that? However you clearly branded many as simpletons - for all to see. So get off that high horse you have no right to be riding. You are the one making allegations - prove it! I am sure someone on here can tell you the onus of proof is on the prosecution.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9378150)

Still got no proof then?

Reaching insults won't cover the fact that you basically suggested that members on this forum had sympathy for terrorists by trying to vindicate them by blaming the government for their actions.

Don't rely on lies to win an argument, Brillo.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9378248)

I haven't lied and I didn't accuse anyone if being a terrorist sympathiser. You read into my words what you like - as you seem rather sensitive on the subject.

After the things you sometimes say to people on here I can't take you seriously.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9378469)

I won't rise to the weak bait, you made a claim so back it up or withdraw it, if you don't do either then you must be prepared to be told you must be lying, that's how debates work. You back up what you say or you get discredited.