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I haven't had an infraction since 2010 when she used to be popular

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9827490)

But thats already challenging the consistency you claim you want?

Basically this sounds a bit like..mod other people harshly but not me and my friends. Which is usually whats meant by these threads.

If blanket rules were made up, blanket rules apply across the board. To everyone. In every thread.

Hence needing context to matter

No it's not.

It's the difference between two people having a laugh and someone insulting another member in a serious debate.

The idea of a rule being "members must not call other members a twat" is ridiculous as there's a million contexts in which this would happen.

Friends messing about, however, doesn't fall under "don't insult other members".

Also I remember a time when avoiding the swear filter earned infractions. I guess mods just admitted defeat with that one? [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9827496)

Are you serious? bloody hell, terribly sorry we're only humans who do this s**t for nothing [emoji23]

Omg it was a joke you silly girl! :fist:

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9827426)

because it makes no sense to do it this way. Context is often important . Like, if we had it set so that everytime someone called someone else an idiot it was an infraction, fair enough. But then in the chat thread, there would be a bunch given out per day and we would still be in the wrong :shrug:

But common sense has to be used, especially in C&G if people are clearly joking then you obviously wouldn’t infract someone, for example the other day in my birthday thread (dezzy I think) said happy birthday you slag (or something along those lines) it’s quite obviously a joke, unless somebody explicitly complains or it’s reported or leads to an argument then you can’t really compare the two

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There is a set system also in a way. There are set points for each thing. But its impossible to moderate a forum like this with completely set rules..I mean lets think of a random example that we could have for total consistency with no thinking of the context or anything else. Racism = instant ban. Seems fair enough. But some people would class saying the N word was racism (hopefully all would think this). Some would class saying immigration needs to be controlled as racism. So even then, someone has to use their judgement to if the comment is actually racist or not

But again, surely that just comes down to common sense, it doesn’t take a genius to see what is racist or not, that being said or not, why not using the warning system to remind members that certain points such as the one you mentioned could be perceived as racist by others, but again, only if it has offended someone, or somebody has reported the post

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Insults are either a warning, 1 point, 3 points, 5 points, or we can chose to ban outright depending on the severity. Would you really prefer every single post that could be perceived as an insult to have 5 points or something? I think..be careful what you wish for with that one tbh :laugh:

No I really do think that there should be a flat out one point system, this is the rules (excluded irrelevant ones) from a different site I post on, and I’ve never once seen anyone complain about the system because it’s fair

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9827440)

You already know why this was. People used to be able to see how many points they had, and they would post about how they infractions had all expired so they were going to insult people, then when they got close to a ban again they would calm down purposely until one expired, then start again. Basically its this way, as people abused it. Like the appeals section.

It’s the same now though, people can still see when their infractions expire and it doesn’t take a genius to see if you have three outstanding infractions then you’ll be, less inflammatory let’s say to reduce the risk of you getting infractions, The fact is, before the points system was removed from view, members still got banned, so clearly that logic is faulted :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9827498)

But we're then expected to know who is friends with who at a particular time, I've often read posts in the chat thread thinking 2 people are having a laugh and then 2 minutes later one of them is reporting the other one for insults

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9827502)

Omg it was a joke you silly girl! :fist:

See what I mean though, you were joking, I thought you were serious [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9827464)

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. :shrug: If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.

But as people have said, they’ve been infracted for things that they didn’t think was intractable

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9827495)

Yeah **** this. Smithy I was willing to answer your questions in this thread but theres no point at all as I can already see where this is going. Just yet another let say the mods are crap and such. I genuinely am so close to being done with modding this site.

Wat

This isn’t me attacking anyone, this is me just trying to make a fairer system :umm2:

Martin Luther King realness

This is what Smithy was like at Boots. Mincing around, causing trouble :nono:

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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 9827536)

This is what Smithy was like at Boots. Mincing around, causing trouble :nono:

Actually I was in charge and it was very smooth sailing :idc:

That is not what Trip Advisor says :fan:

tripadvisor is where you review pharmacies?

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(i do like the idea of the points though)

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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 9827536)

This is what Smithy was like at Boots. Mincing around, causing trouble :nono:

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 9827538)

Actually I was in charge and it was very smooth sailing :idc:

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9827541)

That is not what Trip Advisor says :fan:

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Originally Posted by T* (Post 9827547)

tripadvisor is where you review pharmacies?

AAADFFDDFD :joker:

You can review anywhere you go on there

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 9827316)

It’s a point based system whereby 9 points mean a one day ban (iirc) and then it goes up from there

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction :shrug:

Surely not knowing how many points you have makes it harder for you to be like 'hmm well I have 4 points until I'm banned for a day so I could risk getting a 1 point infraction to call LeatherTrumpet a twat'

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9827631)

:laugh2:

Idk if I made much sense then but basically knowing your own infraction points would just allow you to plan when you're gonna be a bitch which sounds lovely for us but would be awful for the mods!

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9827631)

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9827641)

Idk if I made much sense then but basically knowing your own infraction points would just allow you to plan when you're gonna be a bitch which sounds lovely for us but would be awful for the mods!

Well, that’s what Vicky said, however that’s how it used to be and people would still be banned, the only difference was people could see how many points they were getting per infraction, which was fairer

Oh sorry I've only just read through I just wanted to quickly give my two cents because I'm so gobby!

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9827641)

Idk if I made much sense then but basically knowing your own infraction points would just allow you to plan when you're gonna be a bitch which sounds lovely for us but would be awful for the mods!

Yep

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Originally Posted by Jay. (Post 9827330)

I remember getting one for mentioning the name of a shop in soap and without any hesitation I received one 12 hours later, with no reply when I asked why.

Just needs to be more transparent and I'm surprised it isn't already. That idea should work a lot better because it helps us almost police them, so it keeps everything fair.

This is still my most favourite night in the chat thread :flutter:

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 9827297)

Anyway, on topic :hee: it’s been brought up numerous times but I’m gonna bring it up again because something needs to be done on the site bc it drives members away.

WHY is there no set infraction system on the site? for years now infractions are handed out by mods with zero consistancy at all and as much as mods will say they have no bias, it’s quite blatant that there is and always will be, on top of that there is no appeal system and whenever I personally have replied to an infraction I have never received a response and I imagine many members are in the same boat.

I really don’t understand why mods/admin are so against have a rigid structure of what is classed as a rule break and what isn’t, it’d completely rule out any accusation of bias because it’d be there in black and white as to what is against the rules. It seems like atm there’s far too much of a grey area where depending on who the mod is they can decide what to infract and what rule they want to relate it to.

Thanks Smithy... couldn't have summed it up better :clap1:

Who has the infraction system driven away apart from a few racist oldies? if anything that's a reason to keep it how it is :flutter:

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Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 9827751)

Who has the infraction system driven away apart from a few racist oldies? if anything that's a reason to keep it how it is :flutter:

Well clearly from above...Mokka, people don’t like coming onto a site where it isn’t moderated prooperly and people are allowed to spout bile, look how long it took before the truth got banned

Bring back Kirk.

But in all fairness like 4 or 5 long term members walked away/limited their time on the site last year

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9827508)

Well then they're obviously not mates.

Maybe it depends on the person but I can always tell when it crosses from banter to arguing. [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9827511)

See what I mean though, you were joking, I thought you were serious [emoji23]

Well obviously Josy isn't going to accidentally ban someone for 6 years and not 6 days you silly. [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 9827713)

Thanks Smithy... couldn't have summed it up better :clap1:

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remember kirk’s cover of hurt by johnny cash

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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9827631)

:laugh2:

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Originally Posted by Sullen Girl (Post 9827776)

remember kirk’s cover of hurt by johnny cash

Shame he never got a #1 single

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9827772)

Well obviously Josy isn't going to accidentally ban someone for 6 years and not 6 days you silly. [emoji23]

I was talking about the first part of your post :hmph:

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9827786)

I was talking about the first part of your post :hmph:

I might've been serious. :smug:

TiBB will not stand for forgetful mods.

Although I guess I'm in a really great position in that it's impossible to forget about me. :flutter:

Mods are members too, they did not start out as mods, like the police they do a thankless job and people are always ready to have a dig at them.

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9827860)

Mods are members too, they did not start out as mods, like the police they do a thankless job and people are always ready to have a dig at them.

:love:

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 9827761)

Well clearly from above...Mokka, people don’t like coming onto a site where it isn’t moderated prooperly and people are allowed to spout bile, look how long it took before the truth got banned

And what better way of stopping people spouting bile than having a system that allows them to know how far they can push their luck :think: I think the real problem with those people "leaving" is that they hate not getting their own way.

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Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 9827933)

Well not really, as I’ve said before, people still got banned under the old system it’s not like everybody stopped being arsehole just because they were close to a ban, that appears to just be the excuse given to justify changing the system.

Well clearly the current system doesn’t work, so why not try something different? Set rules that show what will lead to infractions and bans can’t be argued against, and it’s not about pushing your luck? It’s about breaking the rules