And the ex also got into her phone and other online records,. what was he removing ?

The most baffling and frustrating documentary I've seen.

Do you believe he killed his wife?

I went back and forth. A lot.

Well, while watching it I was still kind of smarting from feeling duped in the Avery case, so I kind of went in with a bit of a biased view thinking they're going to try to convince me he didn't do it and he probably did, so I decided to watch it, then look up what they left out etc and I really don't think he did do it. There's a bizarre theory involving an owl that weirdly sounds like it could be an answer to what happened

Well I hope this innocent man finally is freed

So what if she did, does that make her less of a murder victim? And her mother didn't cry, so you think she had something to do with it or? I don't get the relevance there at all :conf:

I mean Chuff, they have so much physical evidence against Steve..an actual guy with documented violent tendencies, they have Teresa telling her boss that Steve scared her last time she went there, they have her bodies remains having been burned with Steve's tools and found in a pit outside his trailer so basically, someone either burned them there without Steve or anyone else noticing or burned them off site but would have had to steal Steve's tools first then burn the body and those together, then plant them in front of his trailer. They have DNA on both his gun (which killed Teresa) and on the shell casings so the "real" killer would have had to steal that, shoot her, plant his DNA on them and then return them..............all without Steve noticing.

And to add, if it were her brother and ex (why though?) how would they have gotten the DNA to plant, unless you're honestly suggesting that they conspired with the police to both kill Teresa and then frame Steve? I mean framing someone is one thing but are you saying that they were happy to agree to the actual murdering of an innocent woman just so they could frame Steve Avery? I mean come oooonnnn :laugh:

Also Marsh, that was the original kind of crime documentary that Netflix made (The Staircase that is) so the objectives seemed to be different. It was basically a documentary following the justice system and how it works rather than trying to convince you either way of whether he was guilty or innocent

The blood the police had on file for Steve had been tampered with

Are you talking about the hole in the top?

Wait and see and if Im proved right I will remind you :joker: why did Scott only give Theresa's Aunty a camera ? why did the Aunty go after all the other searchers had gone ? why did Ryan give her the direct line to police ?

The general packaging also

None of those questions have any physical proof of anything, and there's mountains of physical and circumstantial evidence supporting Steve Avery doing it. You really need to open your mind up more on this one Chuff and look into the possibility that he did actually do it and him having been wrongly jailed (only part of sentence though might I add) before seems to be mudding the waters on this case.....alot.

Chuff I've been following this case for the last few years and read oceans of stuff on it, I was 100% sure that he was innocent after the original documentary until I found out all the sneaky things they did in that to make him sound innocent

The hole on the top (which netflix decided not to tell us) is on all those viles, it's how they put the blood into them. One of the sneaky things they did in the original documentary, drop that bomb but never explain that it meant nothing after all....... I couldn't understand why it never came up in the trial because surely that was damning evidence but of course it didn't come up because there was a proper explanation for it

there's no way to know if someone else extracted blood from the tube through the same hole plus the packaging wasn’t sealed as it should have been. Them dirty framing bastards set him up!

No the documentary set us up more like!

OPEN your eyes Nimah!!!!

Eh we know he has a below average IQ, how he speaks or what he says isn’t necessarily going to be what he means; or it’s easily taken out of context/deconstructed like this. I don’t think stuff like this is really reliable as apposed to the scientific evidence which has been produced by the defense

That being said I WILL read the other article you posted niamh!

The TL is convinced this man is innocent

I sent her the link and she said it was Amazing News

Do :love:

Also send her my link :hee:

And even more so by the prosecution

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Thank you Niamh, I was afraid this thread was going to be full of people saying he's innocent. Guilty AF

Niamh educated Chuff, Glenn and Smithy. :clap1:

Yeah, when watching it I couldn't get my head around that theory.

But it's certainly more plausible than the scenario they kept throwing out, that she fell down the stairs and then kept trying to get up and repeatedly slipped in a pool of her own blood, banging her head against the wall several times. That made him look guilty as sin. But his general demeanour was very cold to me, I definitely don't think his relationship was as open and pleasant as he tried to portray. But obviously, being a prick who shagged around and treated his wife like dirt doesn't mean he killed her. But then there's the whole contrivance/convenience with the poker being found. :shrug: A baffling case.

Though I did find it quite sad when he was finally released, just how frail and beaten he seemed after all those years.

I pitied the kids. (And Margaret was the SPITTING IMAGE of his son!! :eek:).

The true facts:

- Avery probably killed her

- however, the police blatantly DID plant and fabricate evidence in order to "get him", and their version of the specifics of the murder are clearly bull**** and constructed to fit around Brendan Dassey's botched statement.

- Whether Brendan was present at the murder or not (and I don't believe he even was) he has been treated abysmally by the police, and the entire system. Shameful.



Basically I think Avery did it and the police knew it was him, but were struggling for physical evidence so they extensively tampered with the evidence that was available. I think they moved bones, I think it's all but certain that they planted blood, I think they probably moved the car, and I know they forcefully extracted an at least partially false confession out of Brendan because you can watch them doing it.

Unless that Brenda Dassey interview with the police was heavily edited, then I find it hard to find him guilty.

From that interview we saw, he knew nothing and was guessing what the police wanted to hear. But we do know Dassey was with Avery on the night in question. having a bonfire.

Either it didn't happen as they say it did or Dassey is a genius.

My take on it is that Brendan is innocent and that the police timeline of events isn't accurate, so it is possible for Brendan to be innocent and Avery to be guilty.

No she didn’t? I think she’s a fool to think he’s guilty :idc:

That's not very nice

I haven't read the full transcripts of the interview but apparently he did give some accurate details without prompting. I do think he was treated very badly though and probably a victim of steve aswell which he admitted to his mother on a recorded phone call from prison

I'm not gonna argue too much with Niamh on this, she's obviously done her research on this and I've only seen the documentaries. But from the documenteries, it's fair to say it's a very fishy case, and the law enforcement don't look good and could have done with some better cross examining of them. The officer I think called Link or lenk or something like that and the patrol officer with the glasses (I forget his name) were both very dodgy and didn't seem honest to me.

Also something thats not mentioned much but Steve actually initially lied to the police and said Teresa never showed up

He gave so many details that some were bound to be right just by probability.

"What happened to her?"

"She was stabbed or shot or strangled or someone hit her on the head or maybe drowned her"

"AHA so you knew she was shot."


That said, even if the interview had been conducted ethically (which it straight up was not), the worst that can be said for a clearly non-neurotypical 16 year old is that he was a victim. Even if Steven never directly laid a hand on him, even if the police narrative is 100% accurate, Brendan to me should clearly be classed as a victim of Avery who was confused, easily manipulated, and felt he had to do as he was told.

Neither is being wrongfully imprisoned

Lucky he isn't then

Yeah even if he was involved I still feel sorry for him because I have no doubt he was coerced and probably terrified of Steve

I read afterwards that they found her own hair in her hands and feathers, it would make sense that she would fall all awkwardly and be pulling at her hair if an owl attacked her and got tangled up in her hair, it would also explain the wounds on her scalp. There was a particular type of owl native to where they lived that get very aggressive during mating season, which it was at the time. . . Odd as that explanation sounds it fits so much better with her injuries and weird falling around

I haven't watched the netflix show but I read he doused a cat in gasoline, tortured it and burned it alive. Thats usually how many killers/physcos start, and so for that reason I think hes guilty. Someone capable of doing that is easily capable of murder.

Happy with him being hung or caged for life for harming innocent animals anyway