I used the fact of 66th to show that it outsold some songs that actually managed to get to number 1. Shes also on Australia's Got Talent because of her all round work in theatre and on TV, she isn't just a singer. Shes bigger than Kylie in Australia, and Kylie was actually famous for being Dannii's sister, not the other way around. I didn't call her massive in the UK either which she isn't, but she is around the world. You're just solely looking at her singing and not at the rest of her career.

Cheryl can't sing anyway (but I do like her), shes even admitted it herself. The show doesn't need anyone, as proven by Sharon quitting. Everyone thought it would be downhill from there but seemingly not.

LOL! Wow such a deluded comment. Cheryl's vocals live are better than Danni's in the studio.

So? 66th really isn't anything to boast about. She's famous in the UK because of her sister, lets be honest here. I highly doubt she's bigger than Kylie in Australia seeing as Kylie is one of Australia's if not the best export. It's hard to believe, but maybe that's how it started - it's the other way around now. If you walked around the street and asked who's bigger between the both, the answer would be Kylie out of everybody's mouths.

Yes, she can sing. Don't start putting across that argument because she evidently can; in the studio and live. Thanks.

Cheryl CAN sing, I know loads of people who have seen Girls Aloud live and said they were all great.

First of all, I didn't call you stupid, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me stupid.

Secondly, the band do exude confidence. Nothing wrong with that. OF COURSE, people buy their music because they like it - where did I suggest otherwise. However, they are mediocre singers (not awful, a damn sight better than a lot of the wannabees we see on X Factor, but they aren't brilliant either), who produce music which was written for them, not by them. And I know you may be about to say that they have co-written songs....hmmmmm. I find it difficult to believe that when 5 girls are picked for their looks (coincidence that they are all good looking? I don't think so), that they all just happen to be able to write songs as well. Remember the Spice Girls got songwriting credits on Wannabee, when all they wrote was 'Zig a zig ah'.

If me saying 'people pulling strings' is beyond you - frankly that's not my problem.

Yes, they were picked by the public, but those shows manipulate the public! That is the most obvious thing in the world (read Chart Throb by Ben Elton - it's fiction, but a lot of it is steeped in fact). Like most manufactured bands - Boyzone, Westlife, Spice Girls, etc., the band are puppets. The real talent is the people who write the songs (dreadful as the songs are, people know what sells), produce and manage the groups. I'm not blaming Cheryl for that - it's just the way it is.

As for whether she has had plastic surgery - what's that got to do with it? Sharon Osbourne famously had lots of surgery; didn't stop her being a good judge. I actually thought that Cheryl had had some work done, but I admit I'm not sure about that, and in any case, it's got sod all to do with what I'm talking about.

Dannii can also sing, in the studio and live. And she can do it a lot better than Kylie, its just that Kylie does more manufactured pop and stuff people prefer. Dannii can sing live better than Kylie.

Cheryl admitted herself she can't sing, I don't think it comes more from the horses mouth than that? I do like Cheryl though.

Cheryl has had work done, but on her teeth. Noones teeth are naturally that perfect. But appearance means nothing anyway, its completely irrelevant.

of course she can singe...i mean c'mon she wouldnt be where she is now...

I wasn't calling you stupid, I called your comment stupid. Sorry if you feel as if it's a personal attack but it really wasn't.

They're everything a girl band should be. Yeah, they have the extra credible factor of all being gorgeous - most of the girls in Popstars were pretty so seemingly it is just coincidential. You're saying that they're as big/famous as they are due to people pulling strings. If you haven't seen their live performances from their tours then please don't call them mediocre singers, because they all have an individual style vocally and can belt out their notes cleanly and professionally, not forgetting impressively. I wasn't going to bring up that they'd co-written songs either and it's not that hard to believe that you're pretty much declaring that good looking girls can't write music, because thats how it's coming across.

The public didn't just choose them for their looks; they were chosen for their talent, the publics preferences. Besides, some members of the band hadn't even matured into their looks during the final stages of making the band.

You're taking so much credit away from the public. Almost as if you're saying that the public don't have a conscience of their own? They choose what they like, they vote for what they like, it's simple. It's not that hard to understand. The individuals are famous, they make the songs they sing famous - not the songwriters, not the producers, but the singers themselves.

Danni denies that she's had it, when it's proven that she actually has. And thats the difference, even if Sharon did have the surgery - she was a good judge. Danni isn't. Cheryl hasn't had work done, she's in her mid-20's and she looks perfectly fine.

She can? Youtube her PSTR performances :)

Dannii hasnt denied it? Sharon was a good judge? Clearly not or else she would have been a better success, no? Her comments stretched to "darling boy".

Maybe Danni can sing better than Kylie live, but it hasn't gotten her as far as her sister has it? It's almost as if people blame Kylie for her sisters "demise" so to speak, it's ridiculous!

So because a singer say they can't sing, that means it's written in concrete and is regarded as factual? Right...

Omg look Cheryl is good enough to to sing in a girlband right but not solo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la-cQnBO3wc

Dannii is amazing at singing.

cheryl is flat and is out of tune alot.

Im not being rude or big headed or anything but I would just like to say un arrogantly that I have proffesional singing lessons and im on grade 5 and we learn about tuning and pitching so I do know if someone is out of tune and stuff and if someone is strong at singing which I know for sure Dannii is.

the only way cheryl can convince me is if she does a solo single that only concentrates on her voice for instance for the first time ever i saw ur face concentrates on the voice.

Please don't start having a go at me. plzzzzzz

why you little.... >.<

jokes
lol

she can sing..but her voice is fit for a band which she is in...so shes a singer....may not be a solo singer...but still a singer...

LOL!
Wow. Cheryl isn't flat at all and her voice excells Danni's by far, get over it! Well you're not famous for your singing and being in an extremely successful band; they are, and I'm sure the tuning lessons they get are far more worthy than the ones you get. I'm not being rude, just realistic.

As I said - she sings alone alot on the tours, so maybe you should revise your argument further.

Why don't you watch her Popstars performances?

Why don't you watch her Popstars performances?

kk just my opinion anyway read this:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-12377,00.html

Hmmm that comment about Kylie, Danni isn't that famous compared to her sister, Kylie has been way more successful than her sister and is more well known than her in Australia..

Can I just ask dont you think that my pic of dannii is HOT!!!!!

yes yes yes

I KNOW SHE LOOKS ABSOLUTLY STUNNING!!!!!! like a china doll. lol

she's got a really unique look.

I know: and that unique look is called COSMETIC/PLASTIC SURGERY.

And we all know what Cheryls is. Anorexia.

Look king I don't want to argue so can u stop making littke digs. Plz

Funny, anorexic people look gaunt, tired and pale. Does Cheryl have any of these symptoms? No? I thought not either.

what is your problem.

I don't have a problem, I'm merely having a debate over who's better that's all.

That's a horrible thing to say, of course she isn't.

whats that?

Calling Cheryl Anorexia. When she clearly isn't.

lmfao can you read? I didnt call Cheryl "anorexia" rofl

She meant anorexic. Stop insinuating that she's dumb, will you?

lmfao can you read? I didnt call Cheryl "anorexia" rofl [/quote]


So what does that mean then?

Oh yeah I get it now, it was me reading it wrong, either way, that was still nasty to say she is anorexic Billy, plain nasty, Dannii is just as skinny as Cheryl, does that mean she is anorexic as well?

Dannii is nowhere near as skinny as Cheryl? If your gonna defend Cheryl at least speak sense.

of course she is, they both are, both have great figures though.

hey i think they av both nice bodies.....

I lurvee Dannii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Team Minogue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its just pathetic really, both are as good as each other and both deserve their place on the panel. If Dannii was that bad then she wouldn't have won last year, she wouldn't have been praised for her mentoring and she wouldn't have topped most favourite judge polls.

I just find it really tedious when two sets of fans start arguing over whos best and just start making things up/things seem worse than they are like the anorexia comment, comments about Dannii's plastic surgery. Its just showing how noones arguments hold any weight because they have to resort to personal appearance, and I can't see anyone making them comments to be lookers themselves.

Cheryl is more successful than Dannii. Dannii also has success. Simple as really.