That's quite an achievement and definitely something to be proud of, but you will still get the gainsayers on here, be warned. Don't worry most of them are just jealous, having achieved so little in their own lives. Me? I'm suitably impressed:blush:

Thanks. I don't think a lot of people will be jealous but if they are I'll take it as a form of flattery. The only reason I posted it was BB_Eye demanded that I prove I had one because he thought I was lying.

And this illustrates something else I've noticed: In this debate the side that supports the global warming myth will often attack their opponents credibility whilst debating them. Take for example Lord Monckton testifying before the Congress. The global warming Congress members don't even bother challenging what he has to say and instead accuse him of not even being a Lord (maybe the only time in your life you will ever see Americans fuss over the legitimacy of British hereditary titles) and even make fun of his name saying he was "appropriately named".


Whenever there is a controversial subject (like global warming, 9/11, etc.) the side that doesn't have the evidence to back up their side will try to sabotage their opponents credibility.

Yep, those are the typical diversionary tactics of a zealot to deflect attention away from the thrust of an opponent's argument - undermine the character of the critic, and the argument loses its potency. Sadly, you'll get that a lot on this forum.

I have yet to see any hard, indisputable, empirical evidence for the global warming theory. It's precisely because there isn't any that those who want to push the myth will desperately do all they can to impose their beliefs on others by deliberately seeking to surpress any criticism.

Who care anyways we all die anyway whether it is from extreme weather condtions or just in your sleep it's just how life goes baby. In answer to the original i think it's all a load of ****e

The fact is it won't change.

I agree it's irresponsible to appear to do nothing and continue to to pump gunk into the air, etc. But it's all too little too late.

The catastrohic consequences WILL happen no matter what we do now. We've about as much chance as turning back time.

Would you call CO2 "gunk"? Plants would call it what they breathe.

Global warming is an obvious, human created danger. It really amazes me that people cannot see the massive effects that our actions are having on the world around us. As we speak global warming is reeking havoc across the globe. A small pacific nation called Tuvalu is having to deal with the prospect of their islands being submerged under the ocean because sea levels are rising. That is one of many problems caused by our actions.

What annoys me about the Green Lobby in the UK is that we are all paying through the nose in Green Taxes and yet none of the money seems to be going toward addressing Global Warming. I'm asked not to leave my TV on standby, and yet every town and city in the country is lit all night long... you can see them from space, for God's sake! We pay a ridiculous price for petrol while the USA (no personal offence to any Americans on here...) pay a fraction of what we pay and drive everywhere and still refuse to sign the Kyoto Agreement. I've been to India and it's frightening when you see what they're doing to the environent there, and in other developing economies like China, while we in the UK pay more and more Green Tax every year.

I believe Global Warming is a natural process, but I believe it's being exacerbated and accelerated by the greed and ignorance of the human race.

Yep I bet that hacks off the Green Lobby too. They asked for increased levies to help fund green energy sources, very little of the money taken from us in the form of "Green Taxes" finds its way to the green energy developments.

Petrol has also been more expensive in the UK than in the US, when I was a kid, gas in the states was pennies(cents) per gallon. In the UK petrol was shillings per gallon.

Did you know in the seventies when the great wonder that was North Sea Oil was booming we shipped most it overseas, in particular to the Middle East, we in turn bought their heavy crud(crude oil) simply because our refineries were better geared up to cope with it than the lighter more easily refined local product.

You might think by now the various energy industries and the government would have got their act together, but no.

The government taxes and plays with the revenue, the energy industry knows the government will"oversee" but not cap them. So both are laughing and the consumer pays. And we do pay, well over the odds, look at British Gas and their latest profits.

In the future the various industries will expect to continue making higher and higher profits at our expense. They will actually need reinvestment to develop and implement sustainable energy. Their shareholders wont pay, the government will, in the form of grants.

We the taxpayer will then foot the bill for those grants, oh and then to really take the mick pay higher costs for our energy, so the energy suppliers can make ever increasing profits.

But the one I like the best is larger companies etc who can afford higher overheads actually get energy cheaper than the home user.

Aint life grand.

I wouldn't call global warming a hoax. But I do believe it's more likely that "Experts" as usual are making fools of themselves.......

They made fools of themselves a few decades ago claiming there would be an ice age on the way........Experts also claimed "automation" in the 60's would lead to half the poulation not needing to work in a few years time............

Experts bless them do it all the time. It usually takes awhile to find out that an expert is not an expert after all......Just another bunch of wannaby clever dicks getting it wrong time and time again......

If global warming is happening there is nothing we can do to stop it......

If it is happening the most likely cause is over population......Multi millions more of warm blooded creatures adding little heaters to the planet which will eventually overheat it.

Same advice to you. No matter how often you believe and 'announce' the planet is warming - it doesn't become true.

Technically (and realistically) the overall temperature has been cooling. for something like 5 years or more.
No doubt (and we ought to expect) it will also go back up for 5 or 15 years and then cool again.

But as Lord Monckton might ask - what temperature is the climate supposed to be?

Long time no see el-proximo good to see you checking in :xyxwave:

You are correct and that is why a lot of "experts" have suddenly stepped away from the term global warming and have coined the term climate change.

In the 80's the panic was that we were entering another ice age accelerated by cfc gases as temperatures had been dropping over a 10 year period only for the realisation that this had stopped happening and was followed by a 10-15 year period of rising temperatures causing the term global warming to become the hot topic.

Then comes the period we seem to be in now seeing some of the coldest winters on record all over the world so now we get panics about "climate change" so they dont have to do an about turn again.

It looks to me like these could well be natural cycles that the earth encounters and that not some crisis that needs to be dealt with yesterday or we all die.

I still think we need to change and that we are slowly poisoning our world and it cant continue as it is indefinitely but as for creating a huge greenhouse that we are all going to fry in ummmm no i dont think so.

(just out of curiosity in the 80's the panic was about the huge hole in the ozone layer that using aerosols and fridges had caused the hole was due to get so big we all died of radiation poisoning from ultra violet light what became of that hole? )

The thing with so called "experts" in any field is that they have to maintain their status and justify their existence by coming up with some theory or another presented under the guise that it is scientific "fact".

The truth is that all sciences are organic and evolving all the time, often rendering previous theories redundant. The fact that theories such as global warming are challenged and criticised is surely a good thing, since it ensures that nothing is taken for granted and the issue is always in the public arena for debate, and not simply taken at face value.

Good post.

It amuses me that a politician can come on TV and talk about saving energy for ecological reasons and then go on to say why the war in Afganistan is important.

I remember when the flu scare was on and every household was issued with a rather patronising pamphlet telling us how to blow out noses responsibly (with illustrations!) and then when I was out with the dogs I saw at least three people gob and snot in the street.

It was then I thought, "You know what! What will be will be, and that's that!"

It's like bailing out the Titanic with a leaking bucket.

It amazes me that people STILL believe the government even though time and time again they have been proven to be liars

You never see a scientist talking about climate change, it is always a politican or a ******in joke celebrity. IF there is a scientist, then there is sure to be a politican sat in his lap whilst he speaks.

It is irrelevant whether climate change is occuring or not, all that is relevant is that the government are telling us that it is. The reason for this is to make money NOTHING ELSE. Government is corrupt and they lie about EVERYTHING. Financial crisis, Iraq, Middle East Crisis LIES and BS

IF climate change caused by MAN is indeed true and will cause devastating catastrophic events, then the government should BAN all causes of this so called man made contributions. BAN STOP CEASE. They dont because they know its balls.

People need to wake up