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Yes but its now needed
for Extra Capacity

£55 billion for this vanity project yet all education get for the term is a measly £1.3 bill?

No its needed
For More Capacity
as the other main train line gets Packed

Now at over £60Billion

Dispatches Tonight 8PM Ch4HD 30mins Docu

"HS2 , The Great Train Robbery"

With £4Billion pounds already spent
many are now calling to Scrap HS2.

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They need to finish off Crossrail first, when is it due to open now, it was meant to be last December, the overspends on these projects with no accountability is ludicrous

you will be lucky if you can buy a bag of chips for 60 billion after brexit :idc:

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10440486)

They need to finish off Crossrail first, when is it due to open now, it was meant to be last December, the overspends on these projects with no accountability is ludicrous

Thats is going to get finished
later than it should, sure.

But this HS2 Docu
is going to shock some
Tonight 8PM Ch4HD
Economist Liam Halligan Reports for Depatches

I read HS2 will only reduce journey times between London and Birmingham by 24 minutes, better for Manchester.

There's a project to build a high-speed rail link in California between Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the cost and completion time has also gone way over the estimates. It could get canceled also.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/cali...n-trouble.html

I was reading about it because some of the Democrats in America published a Green plan which included a proposal to replace a lot of air travel with high-speed rail. The intentions are good with these things but the difficulty is in the small details, which increases costs and delays, and reduces the benefit of it.

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Originally Posted by James (Post 10440571)

Yes with HS2 its the Land Costs
that was not predicted correct

Yes that USA California Fast underground sells well
but again its the Costs not corrected in time

The Democrats Green " ideas"
are not worthy of talking about
as none of those dreams are being made law

In the Papers Today
Many New Possible Conservative Leaders
have said they would Scrap It.
End any more HS2 work.

They are saying up to 4 Billion pounds spent
But total cost will be over 100 Billion pounds

Quote:

HS2: Review to examine costs and benefits of rail project

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A proposed design for a HS2 train

The government is launching a review of high-speed rail link HS2 - with a “go or no-go" decision to be made by the end of the year, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has said.

The review will consider whether and how the project to connect London, the Midlands and northern England should proceed, looking at costs and benefits.

Mr Shapps refused to rule out scrapping it entirely.

He said it was "responsible" to see whether HS2 was "going to stack up".

Phase 1 of the development between London and Birmingham is due to open at the end of 2026, with the second phase to Leeds and Manchester scheduled for completion by 2032-33.

It is designed to carry trains capable of travelling at 250mph.

When asked about the billions already spent on the project, Mr Shapps said: "Just because you've spent a lot of money on something does not mean you should plough more and more money into it."

He said ministers were asking the reviewers "just give us the facts."

"Go and find out all the information that's out there… genuinely what it would cost to complete this project, and then we'll be in a much better position to make that decision - go or no-go by the end of the year."

The review will be chaired by Douglas Oakervee, a civil engineer who served as chairman of the Crossrail project between 2005 and 2009.

Lord Berkeley, another civil engineer who worked on the construction of the Channel Tunnel, will act as his deputy.

A final report will be sent to the government in the autumn.

Rising cost

During the Conservative Party leadership campaign Boris Johnson said he would not scrap plans for the new rail link, but did express "anxieties about the business case".

Previous governments have argued the new route would boost the economy, but concerns have been raised over the cost and route.

In July, the current chairman of the project reportedly warned that the total cost could rise by £30bn - up from the current budget of £56bn.

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Labour peer Lord Adonis, a former transport secretary who worked as an infrastructure adviser to Theresa May, said the review was "as stupid as you can get" and would "screw Birmingham and the North".

He tweeted that it would become "a massive bun fight, while the transport department runs for cover and HS2 Ltd is paralysed by indecision".

The review will look into:

cost estimates so far
opportunities for efficiency savings
the environmental impact, focusing specifically on net zero carbon commitment
whether the economic and business case made for HS2 is accurate
the added costs of cancelling the project or changing its scope, such as combining phases 1 and 2a (Birmingham to Crewe), reducing the speed or building only phase 1

From https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49420332

So basically cancelling that allows them to fund all the other commitments they have made already. Pretty obvious strategy

[while the transport department runs for cover and HS2 Ltd is paralysed by indecision. ]

They need to Update
the Cost, And the PM must
sort it out.

[HS2: Ministers and bosses knew railway was over budget years ago
By Tom Burridge Transport correspondent, BBC News ]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49450297
[Crucially, the documents were written in 2016, before MPs had signed off the first phase of the project.
It is evidence that both the public and Parliament were not given the full picture about the true cost.
The Department for Transport said: "Like all major, complex projects delivery plans evolve over time."
"We regularly keep Parliament and members of the public updated on the progress of the project," the DfT added.
HS2 Ltd is a public company, set up to build a new high-speed line linking
London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds. It is funded by the taxpayer.]

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10665778)

So go on shock me how much have they funneled out of the public purse so far?...

They better not cancel this. Travelling to London is a nightmare

Also planning on buying property in Manchester when this is confirmed as this transport route will make the value much greater with the possible commute to London

Best form of transport.

We should get rid of cars and just have trains.

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Originally Posted by DouglasS (Post 10665981)

The Problem is
although £6Billion has been spent
No track has been laid.

The PM must answer to this mess.

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10666009)

Best form of transport.

We should get rid of cars and just have trains.

Its Cheaper to Fly to Scotland
than pay for the Train Fare.

Many households have 2 cars , now.

Cars are not going.
They may become less loud , though
as folks get Electric Cars.

What's the point in spending all that money when it doesn't even save an hour?

They need to scrap ****ty HS2.