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Livia 06-03-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Salman! (Post 6743650)
Yes because these people are thick and uneducated and don't know its dangers. It's more of a cultural problem anyway

Salman, I can understand your frustration. Don't be drawn into defending your faith... this is supposed to be a discussion about animal slaughter and not the rights and wrongs of any particular faith in general.

Niamh. 06-03-2014 10:57 AM

Yes, can we stick to the discussion at hand - Animal Slaughter please

lostalex 06-03-2014 11:00 AM

yes, i agree, more animal slaughter please! i came inn this thread for dead animals and all i get is religion! :hmph:

Niamh. 06-03-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6743682)
yes, i agree, more animal slaughter please! i came inn this thread for dead animals and all i get is religion! :hmph:

Super :thumbs:

Z 06-03-2014 11:13 AM

I like dying animals the best, then you get to see them die

Crimson Dynamo 06-03-2014 11:28 AM

Its more about the best way to kill animals and the most humane based on the best scientific thinking available and not superstition passed down by families.

lostalex 06-03-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6743700)
I like dying animals the best, then you get to see them die

only the yummy ones though.

but no eating porcupines plzzz, they are too cute.


Nedusa 06-03-2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by *Kate* (Post 6743561)
It's udderly barbaric.

Yes.........I Know it Behooves me to agree with you..........

Nedusa 06-03-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6743636)
it's not really a stupid comparison, cause they were marrying their cousins... that's a fact... and they were also preparing meat without refrigerators or ovens, or any other kind of modern cooking appliances... so it's not really "stupid" of me to be pointing it out....but it is kinda "stupid" to be taking advice from primitive people from 1000 years ago... people were pretty ****ed up back then, is my point.

Exactly...........that's a major part of my argument against organised traditional religions, they were developed millenia ago. the rules and rituals about what you can and cannot do were brought into being by people who as you say were primitive and uninformed.

Sadly, I think people following these ridiculous rituals and do & dont's, should know better and realise just how daft most of this stuff is..........

Nedusa 06-03-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 6743680)
Yes, can we stick to the discussion at hand - Animal Slaughter please

Actually this thread is about what has higher importance Animal's rights or Religious practices.....:wavey:

Me. I Am Salman 06-03-2014 12:57 PM

no one cares medusa

Crimson Dynamo 06-03-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Salman! (Post 6743810)
no one cares medusa

People do care that is why the senior vet in the UK has brought it up. Animal rights must come before peoples unfounded personal beliefs they inherited from parents.

Niamh. 06-03-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6743809)
Actually this thread is about what has higher importance Animal's rights or Religious practices.....:wavey:

Religious practices concerning animal slaughter yes, not an open day on attacking all parts of religion.

Livia 06-03-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6743669)
Chickens that live their lives in tiny cages without being able to stand up properly so people can buy cheap eggs... Pigs kept in pens too small for them to even turn around and are bred continually so people can have cheap pork... calves taken from their mother as soon as they're born and kept in the dark for their short miserable life so that people can pay through the nose for veal... all cruel. Did the veterinary surgeon who seems so concerned with religious rites have an opinion an any of that stuff, do you think?

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6743816)
People do care that is why the senior vet in the UK has brought it up. Animal rights must come before peoples unfounded personal beliefs they inherited from parents.

I've quoted my own post because it kind of addresses yours and you either missed it or ignored it. If non-religous slaughter was above reproach I could understand your argument. As it is, this is just avenue for the very vocal anti-religous lobby of this forum to try to drag down people of faith.

Crimson Dynamo 06-03-2014 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6743821)
I've quoted my own post because it kind of addresses yours and you either missed it or ignored it. If non-religous slaughter was above reproach I could understand your argument. As it is, this is just avenue for the very vocal anti-religous lobby of this forum to try to drag down people of faith.

To be fair he can be concerned about more than one subject and he is, today he is taking on religious ritual slaughter. By highlighting this he is in no way saying that the non-religious slaughter of animals is perfect, coz it aint.

One step at a time

Sweet Jesus

Livia 06-03-2014 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6743828)
To be fair he can be concerned about more than one subject and he is, today he is taking on religious ritual slaughter. By highlighting this he is in no way saying that the non-religious slaughter of animals is perfect, coz it aint.

One step at a time

Sweet Jesus

I understand that. What I don't understand is that non-ritual slaughter is far more widespread and the numbers of animals slaughtered in a non-ritual way far outnumber those slaughtered by religious rules. There are also regular and numerous reports of bad practice surrounding animals raised for food and I know for a fact that MPs and MEPs are regularly contacted by people concerned about all kinds of issues surrounding the ethical treatment of animals in the way they're kept, the way they're bred, the way they're transported and the way they're slaughtered. And yet this vet ignoring all that and raising the question of ritual slaughter. I'd be interested to know why he's concerned enough to make an issue of ritual slaughter and not of all the other bad practices going on every day in the UK.

Nedusa 06-03-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 6743819)
Religious practices concerning animal slaughter yes, not an open day on attacking all parts of religion.

Agreed..................:blush:

Apple202 06-03-2014 02:49 PM

yup

animal rights > religious freedom

Apple202 06-03-2014 02:52 PM

but tbh i just think whatever is the most humane and fastest method should always be used, and that should be made law and inspected constantly

Z 06-03-2014 03:30 PM

I think if we were forced to watch how all types of animal meat widely consumed in the UK ends up in the packaging in our supermarkets more people would be vegetarians. I never think about where the meat came from and how it was slaughtered when I'm eating meat. Perhaps I should. It would stop me from eating meat.

joeysteele 06-03-2014 09:08 PM

I hated those programmes that showed the killing process in abbattoirs, the animals looked terrified going in there and must have been able to sense fear and smell the blood too.
grow it,kill it,eat it I think the series was,something like that anyway.

There are no easy ways to kill an animal for food really, all will have some fault as to the process but I cannot see change coming as to halal processes.
I guess that for as long as people demand meat it will go on and nothing will change at all for any methods used.
The point also is the argument that the animals slaughtered are only bred in the first place for food,if there was not the demand for meat then they likely would never have been bred at all.

I do agree a lot of the farming methods are rather dubious and cause suffering to a lot of animals even before they get anywhere near the slaughtering stage.


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