You've hit the nail on the head.
As disgusting as leaving dirty knickers in the bath is, I'm actually surprised at how it seems okay to humiliate a young girl on national TV. If my faves Tiff or Darren had done it, I would have gone right off them and said so.

How can people defend John on this. He said something cruel. He just did. You can love him for other reasons but he just did make a dick of himself in at least one scene last night.

I know. I'm not trying to defend the girl. She's in my bottom 3. Just pointing out John's role and suggesting why she might have found it hard to admit to owning the knickers initially.

I didn't see or hear Christopher or Darren not wanting to name and shame the cuprit either Kazanne.
All 3 of them, John, Christopher and Darren were the ones who came across the soiled effects.

I cannot stand Gemma but had they been hers, Steph would have yelled it from the rooftop I would say.

Darren was laughing his arse off too,and said Ew,but you like him so that's ok, :laugh: good God it's not like anyone called her a " fat Twunt" is it? seems they are the sort of people we should revere, well I'm not one of those,I like straight talking ,to the point,please or offend people.

Same here. I don't like Steph but I really felt for her in this. Why humiliate somebody like this :shrug:
John seems to enjoy going for another HM's weak points. He get's off on it.
But it was not just him doing it. Others came out of it looking bad too, like Danniella who has turned out to be a miserable cow.

He's a hypocrite that singles people out to exclude them from the group, he's done it before and he'll probably try to do it again.

I really liked Darren until last night. He was totally wrong.
He & Christopher went way over the top. It was not just John doing it.
Gemma & Danniella were awful too.

Yes Joey good point, if Darren and Chris didn't agree they would have said something,but wait ........................they all flock to John according to NY Tiff, so it's his fault alone.:laugh:

When the only fault in all of it lies solidly with Steph.:joker:

it wasnt just john, who incidentally once it was known who knickers they were never piped up again, what abt the 3 girls making fun of her in the bedroom, & they did know the knickers belonged to steph, but they were havin a great time makin sarky jokes about steph. talk about girls sticking together - not!

Well of course not. It cut to another scene.

We saw the guys ewwwww reaction. We saw them laugh when John called it pigeon ****. We saw Christopher try to cover the knickers. We saw John stop him. We then heard John saying the owner should be named and shamed.

Just because we didn't see Darren/Christopher say the owner shouldn't be named doesn't mean they agreed. It means we don't know and isn't any kind of defence.

:joker: Sometimes you just have to laugh.

All I seen Darren doing was laugh and say ew - that's it. A perfectly natural reaction.
We seen all that John did but you like him so that's okay, eh? :laugh: If Darren had done what John did, no, I would NOT have continued to like him. But go on putting yourself out twisting the facts and defending a grown man humiliating a young girl on national TV over her knickers. If that's the kind of man you admire, that's your misfortune.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh,listen to you on your high horse,i like John,so tough,all 3 were in the mix,thats a fact

They were....but they didn't take it as far as your beloved John did...FACT.:wavey:

Good! humiliate her...It's what spoilt little tramps like that need, your mother isn't here steph and you're 22, pick up your own crusty draws dirty bint !!
In a shared house, who wants to see, smell or sleep breathing her stinking pants in?...unbelievable.

Oh I think Danielle certainly did !,John dropped it when he knew whos they were,they kept on and on,did you see his chat with Jeremy and Steph after ?

Well Darren ran off as Chris did,but ,don't let that get in the way of your hate for John.

You can say that until you are 100, it still doesn't make the other facts relating to John non existent.

If you put a babies toy behind a cushion, the baby thinks the toy no longer exists. That's a fact - look it up. :smug:

That doesn't even make sense. What is your point? :shrug: