No Young Man


James and Josy in Scotland
are happy to stay within our UK.

Nicola Sturgeon has 5 million people to worry about. London alone has twice that number. And the perception is that she's done a great job. But that's perception for you. More people, proportionally, have been dying from Covid in Scotland than in England.

I agree with a lot you list there.

I have always thought brexit would split the Union irreparably.
With this useless PM we have, there's no chance of unifying the UK in my view.

Neither under his 2 leaders before him.

I can see the movement growing in N Ireland too.
However during the EU campaign some Con supporters the break up of the UK was a price worth paying for brexit.
So they are likely to get that.

I'm happy to think of myself as British and European.
Then I'd rather move closer to than move away from other Nations.

Of course there's many, obviously even in polling it's still over 4 in 10 who don't want Scotland to be independent..
In UK democracy 4 in 10 don't matter as in the EU referendum.

Therein lies the problem now in my view in part.
Under successive governments, I include Blair in this and other Prime Ministers.
( I'll exclude Gordon Brown).
Scotland's opinions don't matter, certainly not to this PM and a strong force in his party as to backbenchers..who can only set out to ridicule and put down any representation from those sent by Scottish voters, except their own handful of MPs in the Con party.

For as long as the SNP remain strong and they're seemingly getting stronger.
Then independence will always be on the agenda.
Which is what the SNP has always wanted, hence their name.
So it's no surprise.

For, and I've said this before, a UK government to in effect keep Scotland hostage in the UK, against the now clear will of the majority of Scots voters.
Is unsustainable and will lead to massive likely constitutional chaos.

So I thought it once unthinkable even over my 28 years to think of the break up of the UK.
Sadly, brexit, this awful PM and his hard-line rotten government however, could well really have already started to plant the seeds that will destroy the existence of both the UK and indeed Great Britain.

I also doubt, as that gains more momentum, that Wales will just want to be stuck with England as a kind of just Wales-shire of England.

This isn't scientific in any ways.
However of 12 of my own relatives in Scotland who will reach voting age this year at 18.
9 would now vote for independence in a referendum.
So as you say, it seems possibly more of the newer younger voters, will be demanding this issue to not be taken away, or to even go away.

everyone from Europe is European, you have to hail from some country in Europe, its not really that simple to say I'm European and not British as your passport will say otherwise :shrug:

and if you no really no longer want to be British then you will have to move elsewhere apply for residency, live there for the requisite number of years required and then apply for that country's passport

British people have never been required by economics to move outside their home country except by choice and they really come across as spoilt brats at times

"Frightened of democracy" says the woman who wants to ignore the results of two different referenda :joker:

Except she's not frightened to hold votes in the light of public opinion changing.

She could be condemned were she not standing up still for the 62% of her voters who voted to remain.

In a democracy you can and do change your mind and by voting that change of opinion is expressed.
If voting is denied, then that could be from fear of the now result.

It's why we vote in elections every 4/5 years.
In fact the voters have been asked to change their minds between 2015 to 2020, 3 times in as many general elections.

The Scottish referendum was over 6 years ago now..
The EU one over 4 years ago

She's happy to hold more, with the support of her Party and the voters who back her in direct Scottish elections plus sending the vast majority of SNP MPs to Westminster.

So she has no issue with votes and democracy.
However the UK PM and government has.

Only one element fearing the result of more voting there that I can see.
Because they know they're wrong and doing wrong too.

Pretty sure Nicola said at the time of indyref it was 'once in a lifetime' that said the last year has seemed like a lifetime :laugh:

I hope they get their second indyref, I doubt it would shut her up if she lost again though

no Alex Salmond said that but it was his personal opinion only

She seems to be of the "keep trying until we get the answer I want" school of democracy .

UK Prime Minister
will Block it 100%.


No 2nd Vote Permitted
FACT

Is that not what has been done in 3 elections in 4 years until a substantial majority was won.

It's called democracy.

Plus the Scots were told in 2014, by Cameron, their best way to stay in the EU was to vote against independence.

Or does that statement not matter either.
That was sheer deceit in my view.

How many times has he said NO repeatedly to something then been forced to do it.

He CANNOT act like a Soviet Union leader and keep people who no longer want to be part of his brand of the UK, hostage.

If the support stays and/ rises further for independence he would lead us into an unknown constitutional crisis.
Which he could not probably control.

Plus,IF he dictates his own will against the wishes of a growing majority of Scots voters.
Then he'll lead things into the court arena again.

He can huff and puff all he likes, however in now LESS than 4 years time, he could or his successor be leading at best only a minority government.

He has no assured votes then to deny the demands of a majority of Scots.
Or those in N Ireland either.

He's just a man arista he's not a god!!!!!

Obviously, however in terms of lifestyle I feel I relate more to a European style, of course I can't erase that i'm from here, I didn't state I was.

Yes I know, that's exactly what i've been doing for the past few months, I know the logistics of it all cherry. I don't quite get your last point? I'm quite aware were mostly a privileged country (even though there is a great deal of poverty). However I believe in the right that anyone should be able to move anywhere within certain guidelines, since when was exploring different parts of the world and escaping this some what depressing island being entitled as spoilt? Not aiming this at you here however like many Brexiters state "if you don't like it here then leave!" :shrug:

Yep! with the local elections this May and SNP heading for a big win. I think after this COVID mess, the next struggle for this government will be Scottish independence if there's a overwhelming support for a vote he would have to give in.

No he is not a Russian Leader
but he can still say NO

He would be acting like one IF and it's a big IF, he dared to deny Scotland a referendum following a strong SNP election and constant or rising public opinion for one AND Independence.

If he got away with denying that in those circumstances, he would beyond doubt be acting like a Soviet leader.
By holding another Nation and its people hostage.

You credit him with integrity as to his word.
I don't, because he has none!!
Certainly not politically.

I ain't seen any planes flying over the border like Putin's reaction to Ukraine.

Why would you post something so confidently online that's is provably just flat out false? :joker:

I'm not going to pretend Scotland is doing great, on the whole the numbers and the shapes of the graphs more or less mirror England, but as the current figures stand, deaths in England are at 139 per 100,000 population and deaths in Scotland are at 105 per 100,000 population, meaning that proportionately, deaths in England are about 30% higher. I'm on my phone right now but I'm happy to post the actual figures and graphs at a later time.

Its not a competition of course, just not sure why you'd post something that's outright untrue when all that's needed to disprove it is Google and a calculator.

That is the very basis OF democracy...

The whole concept of the democratic process can be summed up as; "This is what we want right now, but ask again later because we might change our minds". That's how the whole thing works.

I said he 'WOULD' be acting like one 'IF' he did refuse in the circumstances I outlined, not that he 'WAS' or 'IS' one.

HOWEVER jump in and nitpick as usual, if you must.

If you are going to lay out ridiculous comparisons you will get ridiculous answers.

I'm really not in the slightest interested in what you think with respect.
I never really engage with you on here.

It won't at all however be a ridiculous comparison, IF and it's a big IF, he did REALLY choose to use his power to go down that road.

Quite frankly I don't recall even asking a question to answer anyway.

It is you're right.

If it's such a big IF, why make the comparison in the first place..all that does is divide further.


Let's get bb back, and your memory of our interactions on that from 2010 onwards b4 you pathetically attempt to distance yourself from me.

2010 onwards and BB are years ago now.

Also I'll make any comparisons I wish to that are within forum rules.
I thankfully don't need your permission to my knowledge to do so.

Also I didn't engage with you, I was talking to and with arista and Samm.

I won't respond again, so have a nice evening.

I already am, thanks