Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9113822)

Accusations without proof are lies until proven otherwise.

Asking for receipts when you accuse me of things that didn't happen isn't diversionary tactics. Wild accusations are the true diversions here because you've tied yourself in knots with several hypocritical posts and you can't get out of it without admitting you are wrong.

Don't make accusations that you can't back up, it's a fairly simple concept to grasp.

Your posts in this thread speak for themselves, you've contradicted yourself repeatedly and these contradictions have been pointed out to you and you've ignored them. You are projecting everything you are guilty of onto me and that's plain as day for everyone to see.


This is pointless so if you have anything to actually add to the topic then do so. Personal attacks and made up incidents achieve nothing.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9113824)

Point out the contradictions then as I don't see them from a clear and valid source. Just rubbish and no substance.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9113339)

I think it is an issue we all need to be rationale about.

Whilst i don't think it would be a good idea for people to be able to be offensive for the sake of being offensive, I do think people should be able to openly criticize practices/beliefs considered wrong by the majority. To simply shut people down, as often happens here, because their view is not popular with a given group is unacceptable in the free world.

Some groups, by just about anyone's standards, are far too easily offended, although I also believe an element of that is theatrics to cause drama and put pressure on government bodies to close down any opposition. Complete manipulation.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9113484)

You are nearly always one of the first to get offended and insulting and calling those with opinions you don't share on immigration, for example, as bigots and racists.

Hardly in a position to act as though you are above such behaviour and attempt to imply it is always those with opposing opinions to you that do. Getting your knickers in a twist is a right only reserved for those who care so deeply about different types of people hey!

As usual, opinions on that will be varied!

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9113836)

Just take a look.



You say in the first post that you believe that people should be able to criticise things they don't believe in and you claim that opinions are shut down on here because they aren't held by a group of people and that's true because someone who doesn't hold a right wing opinion can't often go into threads without being called part of the Loony Left, a Remoaner or an SJW. You are part of the said group that attempts to repress opinions that aren't your own because you are offended by differing thoughts and opinions.

As for the point about theatrics, surely your endless baseless accusations is that in a nutshell. You've screeched about being called a bigot and a racist when no one has done anything of the sort in an attempt to shut down my opinion. You are guilty of the very things you claim to be against and that's why you are a hypocrite.



Again, proof of what I was saying before. You added nothing about the actual topic at hand and instead told lies meant to shut my opinion down. The fact you accused me of being insulting when, if you look at this topic, you're the one that's throwing out the insults, is ridiculous. You are the offended party that you spoke out against in your first post.

Every other post of yours in this thread has reinforced that.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9113889)

Brillopad, if you are honestly confused, then to put it simply - in this thread you have appeared to have said that we have the right to offend, and brought up the times when your offensive words were excusable but then you went on for days about the times you didn't like to be offended by other posters.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9113898)

What I have actually done is to state the only thing that offends me is the hypocrisy of those that take offence at criticism of their views by responding with words such as bigot and racist in previous threads then having the duplicity to accuse others of not being able to take criticism and becoming offended by responding with words such as loony left/lefties. If people can't handle a bit if tit for tat then don't start the process.

I don't think you and I are on the same page.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9113869)

You are doing it again - right at the beginning of your post you are referring to those that have a different opinion to yours as being 'right-wing' whilst attempting to express concerns that you are being made to feel labelled by the people you just labelled.

That is precisely what I mean you make some feel they cannot freely express their opinion without unreasonable dismissal of their views but are quick to complain if you feel they do the same to you. In my experience people are often only responding to your actions. If you insult others first then you have to expect the same back.

You always believe you have proved something when really you haven't. Whilst I have criticised your views and your expression of them on many occasions I have never outrightly called you a liar. I am not a liar. Of course I can be wrong about something but that does not make me a liar. A lie is an intentional misrepresentation of a fact and I have not done that - that goes against the grain for me.

To summarise I don't believe you have proved anything except that you are no different to those you accuse.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9113484)

You are nearly always one of the first to get offended and insulting and calling those with opinions you don't share on immigration, for example, as bigots and racists.

Hardly in a position to act as though you are above such behaviour and attempt to imply it is always those with opposing opinions to you that do. Getting your knickers in a twist is a right only reserved for those who care so deeply about different types of people hey!

As usual, opinions on that will be varied!

Originally Posted by North Star Monkey (Post 9113968)

To clarify.I don't think anyone on this forum is an SJW.Those guys really are crazy and usually inhabbit universities in the US or Canada.Although it does seem to be catching on over here but not as extreme.Point in case was that Cecil Rhodes statue and also the way speakers have been banned from speaking at Universities due to pressure from SJW's just because they hold different political opinions from them.That stuff is regressive.The shutting down of speech that you don't agree with.
Some of the crap that gets pedalled in Universities is dangerous because these young people are our future.What will they be like in the real world without their safe spaces to run back to.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9113981)

What does SJW mean? Showing my ignorance here but have no clue.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9113963)

Are you honestly comparing the term 'Right Wing' to 'Loony Left'. Remoaner and 'SJW?'

Right Wing isn't an insult, it's a descriptor of one's political stance. Serious Debates is a heavily Right Wing leaning section, this is pretty much a fact.

The terms listed above are all insults used by some Right leaning members aimed at people who happen to think differently to them. Do you deny that this happens? 'Cause it's a bit rich to accuse me of suppressing opinions when I use a valid term when you are fine and dandy with insults about the left being thrown about. One rule for you, another for people who don't hold your opinion it seems.

I've never dismissed anyone's opinions, I'm allowed to disagree with opinions, like I've said enough times in this topic alone (and countless times in other SD threads), everyone has a right to an opinion and everyone has a right to disagree with that opinion. I've never tried to repress discussion, It goes against my mantra.

As for the bolded sentence, I'll just quote your first post to me in this thread.



As you can see, you attacked first. I didn't refer or acknowledge anyone in my original post yet you attacked so don't preach to me when you aren't willing to take your own advice. You set the tone for this discussion, you were the aggressor so don't pin this on me because everyone can see what happened.

You need to keep track of what you have actually said, Wombai, instead of reading what you want to read from other people's post instead of what they actually wrote.

As for your paragraph about being called a liar. You've thrown out plenty of accusations meant to silence my opinion yet you have NEVER offered up anything to back your claims which suggest that no such proof exists which means you are lying to disparage me.

Your last sentence is highly ironic considering.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9113995)

Social Justice Warrior, it was a term referring to people who go OTT with political correctness to an extent of using it to oppress others (I'm very passionate about Social causes but I won't deny that people like that exist). However it's a term that a lot of people who are simply interested in certain causes get painted with regardless.

Think how feminists get made out to be man haters that want to destroy mankind and that's kind of what SJW as an insult is used for. It's basically a catch all insult equivalent of 'Feminazi'.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9113495)

Where the the receipts on your claims? I won't hold my breath on you actually backing them up because you can't and it's just basically baseless slander on your part.

Even if someone did call you a bigot for your opinions then is it not Freedom of Speech? Or does that only apply to you? You taking offense to my opnions is basically proving what I'm saying to be correct. You can't handle opinions that don't allign with your own.

I've never tried to silence your opinions on subjects, I'd rather question it then suppress it. It seems like you consider someone questioning your opinion to be the same as trying to censor it. Freedom of Speech is a two way street, if you're going to speak out about people taking offense to what you have to say then you can't suddenly act like a victim if someone questions your own opinions.

You are allowed an opinion and everyone else is allowed to question it. I've lost count of how many times I've said that in Serious Debates.

Originally Posted by North Star Monkey (Post 9113968)

To clarify.I don't think anyone on this forum is an SJW.Those guys really are crazy and usually inhabbit universities in the US or Canada.Although it does seem to be catching on over here but not as extreme.Point in case was that Cecil Rhodes statue and also the way speakers have been banned from speaking at Universities due to pressure from SJW's just because they hold different political opinions from them.That stuff is regressive.The shutting down of speech that you don't agree with.
Some of the crap that gets pedalled in Universities is dangerous because these young people are our future.What will they be like in the real world without their safe spaces to run back to.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9114075)

Yes I have to agree with this. Someone I look up to a LOT has been no platformed for her views pretty recently and I find it ****ing disgraceful. Even if what she said was bigoted or whatever (which I disagree that it was) she still deserves to have a voice without a bunch of SJWs screaming about it. Challenge any views you disagree with, do not silence people. All IMO of course ;)

Edited to add..this person was Germaine Greer. Let the accusations of hairy bra-burning angry feminazi commence...

Originally Posted by Sleighmie (Post 9114089)

I do think though that people can sometimes jump to accusations of calling people SJW's a little too quickly and that can also hamper discussion and make people feel like they can't express their views. Germaine Greer for example, she made comments that I found transphobic and offensive and I was outspoken against her because of it, but at the same time I don't agree in people like her being silenced or that she isn't entitled to her views. It's just that I wanted to express my views too and argue against her and explain why I believed her to be wrong, which I'm just as entitled to do as anyone else expressing their freedom of speech. It wasn't me or the other people who disagreed with her that no-platformed her, but it's us who would be lumped into the 'SJW' bracket in describing the reaction against her and her comments (although I think in her specific case I seem to remember it was that someone called for her to be no-platformed but it didn't actually go ahead, although I could be mistaken on that - or you could have been referring to something entirely separate :laugh:)
My point though is that sometimes, if someone shows that they are offended by something it can very often lead to that person being accused of trying to silence other people or trying to take away peoples free speech when it just isn't the case and that is also a form of shutting people down who should feel free to share their opinion but may be worried about doing so because of those accusations.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9114097)

the real danger is those who falsely claim offence or falsely claim sexism or racism...they endanger freedom of speech and those who take their false claims seriously should be sacked

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9114075)

Yes I have to agree with this. Someone I look up to a LOT has been no platformed for her views pretty recently and I find it ****ing disgraceful. Even if what she said was bigoted or whatever (which I disagree that it was) she still deserves to have a voice without a bunch of SJWs screaming about it. Challenge any views you disagree with, do not silence people. All IMO of course ;)

Edited to add..this person was Germaine Greer. Let the accusations of hairy bra-burning angry feminazi commence...

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas (Post 9114282)

I mentioned this on the last page and was expecting some comment to that effect :laugh:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9114075)

Yes I have to agree with this. Someone I look up to a LOT has been no platformed for her views pretty recently and I find it ****ing disgraceful. Even if what she said was bigoted or whatever (which I disagree that it was) she still deserves to have a voice without a bunch of SJWs screaming about it. Challenge any views you disagree with, do not silence people. All IMO of course ;)

Edited to add..this person was Germaine Greer. Let the accusations of hairy bra-burning angry feminazi commence...

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9114293)

So you did :laugh: Sorry missed that totally or would have quoted you too. Yes it was bloody ridiculous and an actual example of this 'PC gorn maaaad' thing that people talk about. Usually examples cannot be given, but I really do think this was a case of that.