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Brillopad 19-05-2017 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9310450)
This isnt relevant to the point anybody was making..

but since you brought it up, do you think the worst thing about ISIS is their treatment of females?
It's up there unless you consider stoning women/girls to death for alleged adultery, or any other excuse they can find, as not one of the worst.

I made the mistake of watching such a stoning on u-tube - those men are savages who abused that poor 17 year-old in more ways than one. Animals.

Glenn. 19-05-2017 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9310429)
So?.. your problem should be with ISIS, not with religion. You should be able to separate the two things, literally everybody else can.
You kinda missed my point but ok.

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9310447)
The bible also tells people to kill
I wouldn't know, I haven't read it. I have a brain in my head.

Withano 19-05-2017 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310457)
You kinda missed my point but ok.

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Your point is ridic. I didnt miss it at all. Your point is ISIS is about because of religion, therefore all religions dont have a place in the world, and that point is ridic.

Glenn. 19-05-2017 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9310459)
Your point is ridic. I didnt miss it at all. Your point is ISIS is about because of religion, therefore all religions dont have a place in the world, and that point is ridic.
Religion shouldn't have a place anywhere imo. A glorified fairytale that has far too much power in this world.

Withano 19-05-2017 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310463)
Religion shouldn't have a place anywhere imo. A glorified fairytale that has far too much power in this world.
Its not your place to say that a stranger can not have faith in a higher being. Its frankly weird that you presumed otherwise.

Glenn. 19-05-2017 06:51 PM
It's not my fault people look to the skies for support from a make believe man

Brillopad 19-05-2017 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9310465)
Its not your place to say that a stranger can not have faith in a higher being. Its frankly weird that you presumed otherwise.
Some 'higher' being.

Withano 19-05-2017 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310467)
It's not my fault people look to the skies for support from a make believe man
Its also not your place to tell these people how to live their life, but here we are.

Glenn. 19-05-2017 06:53 PM
Not your place to tell me what's my place either.

Withano 19-05-2017 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310473)
Not your place to tell me what's my place either.
"Hey, don't tell me not to dictate, its mean"

jennyjuniper 19-05-2017 07:25 PM
If you want to hear a really intelligent, sensible and logical muslim woman give her point of view, may I suggest you watch 'Raheel Raza, one law for all - islam in a secular democracy' on Youtube. This is a muslim lady who has lived in Canada for many years and she is brilliant.

Brother Leon 19-05-2017 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9310376)
I just think it should be seperate from state and education
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310381)
You say this but you know... ISIS
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9310425)
Maybe that could work if those people believing and practicing what they want weren't going round threatening to kill all 'non-believers' and in their own country. The arrogance of such people is astounding.

Their attitude is harmful, maybe not to you as a man, but to Muslim and non-Muslim women alike. Any religion with such beliefs cannot be allowed to prosper in the West.
There is a difference between this and the constant comments here or elsewhere that puts down anyone who wants to believe in a religion.

Also, there are numerous reasons for ISIS..it isn't just as simple as "Oh. They are religious, that's why", but that's a whole other topic.

Tozzie 19-05-2017 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 9310354)
Lol at telling anyone what they should or shouldn't believe in. Atheist shouters sound as bad as the religion nutters. Leave people to believe and practice what they want to as long as it causes you no harm.
This..............I have my belief which comforts me but a little prayer before bed is all I want to do, I don't feel the need to go to church or shout at at anyone who doesn't agree with me, my belief is my business as long as I don't harm anyone., others disbelief is their business too.

Mystic Mock 19-05-2017 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9310095)
Exactly, it's so blatantly a way to have power over people and control

With regards to the BIB in the first paragraph as a woman I think that's a silly thing to say when you look at how women are treated in some religions although that probably has more to do with culture than the actual religion I think
BIB, controversially I think that religion and the country's culture kind of come hand in hand.

jaxie 19-05-2017 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9310387)
Because it implies that the majority of Muslims are the "stereotypical tabloid muslim" which is, simply, false. The vast majority of Muslims don't "oppress their women and girls" any more than any other group. That's pretty much standard in the definition of racism, isn't it? Believing negative stereotypes?

Secondly it all plays into the hysteria that "so many Muslims are pouring in!!!" that it's in any way likely to significantly alter the status quo of the whole country. Which is just nonsensical. Especially when - as I said - the fastest growing group is in fact the non-religious.

Thirdly, the worrying trend recently for backwards thinking, and the very real resurgence in active fascism in countries much closer to home, IS an active and ongoing threat to "our values and way of life" but no one seems to care. Too distracted by the scary brown people, I suppose.
Aren't religions which promote an idealogy from over a thousand years ago, when women were considered property all oppressive?

Is not the covering of a woman, because she will incite men to desire not a serious oppression of women?

How many female Imams are there in mainstream Islam? How many female roman catholic cardinals?

Again with the brown people. You seem to have much more of an issue with peoples colour than I do. :shrug:

jaxie 19-05-2017 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310473)
Not your place to tell me what's my place either.
:clap2:

Brother Leon 19-05-2017 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9310425)
Maybe that could work if those people believing and practicing what they want weren't going round threatening to kill all 'non-believers' and in their own country. The arrogance of such people is astounding.

Their attitude is harmful, maybe not to you as a man, but to Muslim and non-Muslim women alike. Any religion with such beliefs cannot be allowed to prosper in the West.
You are acting like any religious group of people go around doing this. It's not black and white or that simple.

Hell, Let's take a look at another extremist group in Hezbollah that is labelled a terrorist organisation by many of the western world, but is one of the biggest fighters against the ISIS force.



Muslim fighters/extremists/terrorists/whatever freeing Christian villages and saving their places of worship and Women that aren't covered all in black waving their flag and looking....happy... what the? :o

Glenn. 19-05-2017 08:20 PM
I just can't comprehend someone believing in basically, a fairytale. That's what it is. Extremely exaggerated/ completely made up events with an unholy amount of power and persuasion. It's nonsensical to me.

Tozzie 19-05-2017 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310531)
I just can't comprehend someone believing in basically, a fairytale. That's what it is. Extremely exaggerated/ completely made up events with an unholy amount of power and persuasion. It's nonsensical to me.
no one persuaded me to have my belief, I choose to because it helps me get through life, I'm sure you wouldn't want to take that away from me. I can never comprehend why people who don't believe get so mad and frustrated about the fact some people do believe :shrug:

Glenn. 19-05-2017 08:30 PM
Because it's not real...

Mystic Mock 19-05-2017 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310543)
Because it's not real...
Does it really bother you though if they're doing no harm?

ISIS I can understand people going ballistic about as I do with people that hated other terrorist groups motivated by Religion, but I don't get why you'd have an issue with someone believing in a higher being if it's just their own beliefs.

Tozzie 19-05-2017 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310543)
Because it's not real...
ok Glenn but I am still going to :worship: :laugh:

Glenn. 19-05-2017 08:38 PM
Suppose not. Religion has spread lot of negative stuff into the world. Poisonous stuff in some cases. That's why it needs abolishing.

RichardG 19-05-2017 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310531)
I just can't comprehend someone believing in basically, a fairytale. That's what it is. Extremely exaggerated/ completely made up events with an unholy amount of power and persuasion. It's nonsensical to me.
tbh

Tozzie 19-05-2017 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9310555)
Suppose not. Religion has spread lot of negative stuff into the world. Poisonous stuff in some cases. That's why it needs abolishing.
but I don't spread poison or negativity, I spread nothing but love and care :bawling:


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