[Brillopad]

https://www.rt.com/news/368755-slova...-religion-law/

I don't know about anyone else but I didn't know that once a religion has a certain amount of followers in a country it can become a state religon receiving state subsidies. Do people really want such a religion becoming a state religion in Britain?

Or is it already a state registered religion in Britain - I have no idea.

[Niamh.]

Personally I'm against all religions being a state anything, has no place there imo

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Personally I'm against all religions being a state anything, has no place there imo

Same.

But as long as state and religion aren't separate then at least it should be fair and Islam treated like any other major religion, isn't it just about representing the people that live here?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Same.

But as long as state and religion aren't separate then at least it should be fair and Islam treated like any other major religion, isn't it just about representing the people that live here?

I'm not going to get overly upset about religions not having rights tbqh, especially one that treats women like second class citizens

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not going to get overly upset about religions not having rights tbqh, especially one that treats women like second class citizens

I'm not too fussed about it either really, I just think that fairness should be applied to things like this. If we have freedom of religion and people choose to follow it. And I think generally that integration is one of the best ways of phasing out out-dated views like treating women as second class citizens, it's not something that's a core aspect of Islam as far as I know, and I think generally that over time most people adapt to the society they're a part of over what religious text they follow, it's the more instinctive thing to do.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm not too fussed about it either really, I just think that fairness should be applied to things like this. If we have freedom of religion and people choose to follow it. And I think generally that integration is one of the best ways of phasing out out-dated views like treating women as second class citizens, it's not something that's a core aspect of Islam as far as I know, and I think generally that over time most people adapt to the society they're a part of over what religious text they follow, it's the more instinctive thing to do.

Yeah, I corrected myself in another post above actually, It probably is a cultural thing in alot of cases rather than the religion itself I suppose. I still wouldn't be campaigning for religious rights though as I'm totally against the whole idea of organised religions and religions being funded by the state.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not going to get overly upset about religions not having rights tbqh, especially one that treats women like second class citizens

Christianity doesnt, Islam does
they are different , to say they are the same isnt just wrong its discrimination

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Personally I'm against all religions being a state anything, has no place there imo

Agree 100%.

[user104658]

I'm in favour of equality so in that sense, I think it should be, if other religions are. I don't buy into the rhetoric than one religion is any "worse" than any other religion.

However, I do personally believe that religion and politics should be completely separate, and to go a step further, I would rather that people wake up to the con of organised religion full stop.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm in favour of equality so in that sense, I think it should be, if other religions are. I don't buy into the rhetoric than one religion is any "worse" than any other religion.

However, I do personally believe that religion and politics should be completely separate, and to go a step further, I would rather that people wake up to the con of organised religion full stop.

Exactly, it's so blatantly a way to have power over people and control

With regards to the BIB in the first paragraph as a woman I think that's a silly thing to say when you look at how women are treated in some religions although that probably has more to do with culture than the actual religion I think

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly, it's so blatantly a way to have power over people and control

With regards to the BIB in the first paragraph as a woman I think that's a silly thing to say when you look at how women are treated in some religions although that probably has more to do with culture than the actual religion I think

I think we're pretty quick to forget, though, that Christians / Westerners didn't treat women (or homosexuals, or ethnic minorities) all that differently less than a century ago... and really no differently at all 150 years ago (the whole thing, from rights, to how much flesh women were allowed to show). The entire world doesn't, and never has, progressed at a uniform rate. We move on, and then are outraged when the rest of the world - which has not had the same time nor opportunity to culturally develop - is not on exactly the same page at exactly the same time.

And that's without even going into the horrible reality that we currently seem to be majorly back-sliding.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think we're pretty quick to forget, though, that Christians / Westerners didn't treat women (or homosexuals, or ethnic minorities) all that differently less than a century ago... and really no differently at all 150 years ago (the whole thing, from rights, to how much flesh women were allowed to show). The entire world doesn't, and never has, progressed at a uniform rate. We move on, and then are outraged when the rest of the world - which has not had the same time nor opportunity to culturally develop - is not on exactly the same page at exactly the same time.

And that's without even going into the horrible reality that we currently seem to be majorly back-sliding.

Oh no I haven't forgotten that about Christianity believe me but I'm talking about the present, we don't need another religion coming in and trying to drag us back there. Also, I'm certainly not one to defend Christianity ever, Ireland is still dealing with the after effects of what the Catholic church did to people in the not so distant past particularly women and children. The point is, we should be trying to get religions away from having any influence on state and schools not encouraging the state to start funding more religions who are even less forward thinking than the ones we had

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh no I haven't forgotten that about Christianity believe me but I'm talking about the present, we don't need another religion coming in and trying to drag us back there. Also, I'm certainly not one to defend Christianity ever, Ireland is still dealing with the after effects of what the Catholic church did to people in the not so distant past particularly women and children. The point is, we should be trying to get religions away from having any influence on state and schools not encouraging the state to start funding more religions who are even less forward thinking than the ones we had

The idea that an influx of Muslims is going to drag us backwards is just (unlikely) hypothesis, though. A bit of a distraction when we are currently, obviously and demonstrably, being dragged backwards by an uprising of 50+ year old white people who want to reverse the clock to the mid 20th century when women, to be honest, still weren't being treated particularly well and life was a nightmare for any sort of minority or non-conformist.

It just bewilders me that people are so busy looking to the middle east in absolute horror thinking that an influx of "strange cultures" from thousands of miles away are going to "change our way of life", and our media is so busy reporting on just that, that the very real, current and threatening revival of European fascism much closer to home is going almost completely un-noticed. Subtly in countries like ours (including Ireland and Scotland, sadly) but also quite openly and obviously in Eastern Europe. People are just ignoring it. The "never again" mantra from WWII has been proven to be almost hilarious levels of hot air. No one seems to give a **** that it's happening again.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think we're pretty quick to forget, though, that Christians / Westerners didn't treat women (or homosexuals, or ethnic minorities) all that differently less than a century ago... and really no differently at all 150 years ago (the whole thing, from rights, to how much flesh women were allowed to show). The entire world doesn't, and never has, progressed at a uniform rate. We move on, and then are outraged when the rest of the world - which has not had the same time nor opportunity to culturally develop - is not on exactly the same page at exactly the same time.

And that's without even going into the horrible reality that we currently seem to be majorly back-sliding.

I've highlighted the operative phrase. It's a backward thinking religion that treats women like second class citizens, sell off female children as brides, kill women they think offend the family etc. etc. etc...... and I don't want it spreading until they can address that.

Lumping Islam in with other religions that have evolved to be inclusive of women... even if that inclusion isn't perfect yet... is offensive. But then. religious people are allowed to be targeted because people who don't believe can't understand them.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've highlighted the operative phrase. It's a backward thinking religion that treats women like second class citizens, sell off female children as brides, kill women they think offend the family etc. etc. etc...... and I don't want it spreading until they can address that.

Lumping Islam in with other religions that have evolved to be inclusive of women... even if that inclusion isn't perfect yet... is offensive. But then. religious people are allowed to be targeted because people who don't believe can't understand them.

I think for me the problem is more about religion creating rules for people to live by, often rules that include what amounts to child trafficking, cruelty, abuse, leaving women stuck in miserable lives with no recourse to escape, as you mention in your first para. Many religions seem to think that we have not progressed a thousand years and do not belong in the modern world.

Where religion doesn't interfere and gives comfort and attempts to modernise then it isn't an issue though I agree I do not particularly understand faith.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've highlighted the operative phrase. It's a backward thinking religion that treats women like second class citizens, sell off female children as brides, kill women they think offend the family etc. etc. etc...... and I don't want it spreading until they can address that.

Lumping Islam in with other religions that have evolved to be inclusive of women... even if that inclusion isn't perfect yet... is offensive. But then. religious people are allowed to be targeted because people who don't believe can't understand them.

You do realise this is an Islamophobic comment don't you? Every religion has it's fundamentalists, even yours.

Again here we have the premise that if you are not religious you are a non believer which is totally wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly, it's so blatantly a way to have power over people and control

With regards to the BIB in the first paragraph as a woman I think that's a silly thing to say when you look at how women are treated in some religions although that probably has more to do with culture than the actual religion I think

BIB, controversially I think that religion and the country's culture kind of come hand in hand.

[jennyjuniper]

No no and no. No religion that has the concept of violence at it's core, or that advocates death to anyone who wants to leave that religion, to gays and basically anyone who doesn't have the same mind set, is anethma to any civilised society.
I'm speaking of islam now and if islam becomes a state religion, then sharia law will be an accepted part of our society and I refuse to accept any laws that has an 'etiquette of beating women'. A policy that sees nothing wrong in marriage and sexual relations with under age females and a mind set that is medieval and has no place in western society.

[Denver]

The UK is not a religious country so no

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The UK is not a religious country so no

isn't the Queen like the head of the Church or something? But i know what you mean, all that crap is out dated and should be totally separate

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

isn't the Queen like the head of the Church or something? But i know what you mean, all that crap is out dated and should be totally separate

I dont think it's fair to call it 'crap' tbh,some people get great comfort from religion,I am one of them believe it or not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I dont think it's fair to call it 'crap' tbh,some people get great comfort from religion,I am one of them believe it or not.

Sorry but that's just my opinion on it, having been brought up with it force fed to me through school

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry but that's just my opinion on it, having been brought up with it force fed to me through school

No need to be sorry Niamh,each to their own,I never force it on other people it's a personal thing.

[Tozzie]

I was brought up a Christian while Britain was a Christian country but now that is all about gone I am loathe to want another religious following in Britian. While Christianity is dying out Islam religion is expanding, if my religion is going to be gone I don't want another religion taking over. It seems some people of Britain think we should celebrate Islam yet not Christianity, whats that about?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I was brought up a Christian while Britain was a Christian country but now that is all about gone I am loathe to want another religious following in Britian. While Christianity is dying out Islam religion is expanding, if my religion is going to be gone I don't want another religion taking over. It seems some people of Britain think we should celebrate Islam yet not Christianity, whats that about?

This is simply not the case, the idea that Islam is "wiping out" Christianity is hysterical Daily Mail nonsense. Christianity is in decline, yes, but the most rapidly expanding category of religious belief is in NO WAY Islam (which still only sits at around 5% of the population) but is, in fact, and I'm very happy to say; atheism / agnosticism / non-religion / anti-religion.

And this category is spread across all religious traditions. Plenty of ex-Muslim nonreligious people as well as ex-Christian.