What ideology is this... are you accusing me of something here?

The child is fostered, she is 5yrs old the poor little girl is going to be unsettled regardless, that is a sad fact.

Who and why...can you narrow that down please..

I think if you dont spk the language of the child you are fostering then how on earth can you give them the advice or support they will need?

Sorry, but i cant get my head round why you would think that?

They do speak the language, I suggest you read the article, I'm not explaining the entire debate to you.

'MPs have expressed concern over the case, including Robert Halfon, the Conservative chairman of the Commons education committee, who said it would be equally concerning if a Muslim child who did not speak English were placed with a Christian foster carer whose family did not speak the child’s language.'


And there we have it, the proof that this is the crux of the issue and this poor little girl is just being used as some pawn in a sick political game to influence public opinion.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-foster-carers

Did you read the article she was very distressed about being in a home where they didn't speak the same language as her. She did not want to stay there.

Sorry but I often feel you see culture before you see people, no doubt something you would accuse me of, but nevertheless not ideal and just from a different perspective.

Yes I read the article, they can speak her language, she may not wish to stay there but is that the issue?
Across the country can we be sure all other foster children are happy in their placements?
Your presumptions on my character are unwarranted and inaccurate, as are your thoughts on what my view may be on yours.

As foster parents they have responsibilities and they should speak English around her as it obviously upsets her when they don't.

You dont have to e plain the entire debate..just the bit highlighted...

Then can you explain why you are willing to believe the part about them spking english but are less willing to believe some other points like the food and the cross?

Imagine for the purpose of the debate you were to foster a refugee child, could you in all honesty say that you would never speak English in their presence?... Let's be realistic.
They weren't setting out to upset her just by talking.

We don't know the accuracy of the cross issue it seems a little strange to me that a 5yr old would relay such specific details with relation to bacon, easter and the drinking habits of western women.

It wasn't bacon as such but carbonara her favourite meal her mum used to cook her, apparently she wasn't allowed to have it because it had bacon in it.

You do know five yr olds are old enough to go to school and converse with teacher..the mum could simply have asked where is your necklace darling...simple answer is i am not allowed to wear it....even me at 5 could have said that.

I would imagine it would be quite frightening for a young child if everyone around her kept talking in a language she didn't understand. :shrug:

This child has been removed from her carbonara making mother to the safety of this family, I think it's important to maintain some perspective on this issue.

To be fair Kizzy, that's a bit of a snap judgement, her mother could be critically ill or dead for all we know :/

Whose making a lot of assumptions now. You know nothing about the family circumstances and how temporary the situation may be. Neither do you know how 'safe' this foster family is.

To automatically believe all foster families are good, safe, caring people is naive and being biased towards a group of people is no better than being biased against. :bored:

Wow, just wow.:facepalm:

it is negative when they take a cross from the child, thats shameful

You know it's a bizarre day on TiBB when I find myself agreeing with Brillo and Parm... but, yeah.

Kizzy I'm sort of really surprised at the judgement here; children end up in the care system for all sorts of reasons and we have no idea at all what her circumstances are. We also have no idea what the circumstances in the foster care home are. And whilst, yes, there is a decent chance that people are pre-judging the situation based on prejudice, (...gulp...) what Brillo says is true :umm2:. "Positive discrimination and bias" towards a group of people isn't a lot better than the opposite; especially in a sensitive situation like this. "Assuming the best" doesn't redress others "assuming the worst". We don't know if the situation is good. We don't know if it's bad. And we don't know why she's there. At the end of the day it doesn't sound like the placement is right for this child, that much can be more or less deduced, and that's all that really matters here.

There's a time and a place for trying to address issues of racial / cultural discrimination where it exists. Finding the right home for a child is NOT that time or place.

The cross and the carbonara is just hyper bait to add fuel to the fire.

English families that foster refugees aren't expected to speak anything other than English. That's because the child is going to be raised, go to school and eventually be employed in an English speaking nation so its important they pick up the language. Its highly unlikely though, that a child with no English would be placed in such a family. They will normally spend some time in a residential facility with a translator to hand. My gripe with the 'speak nothing but English' rule is, there is still a chance that family can be found and such children may be able to, at some point, return to their country of birth; if not as children, as adults. I don't think we should ever presume its okay for them to lose their mother tongue.

:joker:

Once language is "set" it doesn't get lost, really, so any child of "speaking age" (say 4+ for the majority) will always have their native tongue as a language. At the very least, they would pick it up again very quickly in their home country. There's a high chance that they will always at least partially "think in that language".

Why would they not be 'safe'... I'm sorry I think you're biased in your opinion because they're Muslim.

We don't know why she is in the care system other than that she was 'forcibly' separated from her family, and that she has been in the system for months and months and months, it is not fair for the mother complain that she has not been placed with grandparents, if that was a viable option, and in the majority of cases it is that would have been the first place social services would be looking to place her.

The 'friends' of the family making complaints to have added fuel to the fire of discrimination against the family without any real evidence, it's been taken as red that the child has been in some way been 'abused' by hearing foreign voices, not been served bacon and other alleged slurs against Christian holidays. It's being turned into a witch hunt and personally I find it really distasteful.

We only have one side on this 'debate' which is the slanted article in the Times, therefore I'm not sure how me calling for perspective is so hilarious :/

Bit of an update...

The child was first housed with a muslim family where all this hassle has come from...then housed with a more liberal muslim family.....now she has been housed with her grandparents which was the original wish of the mother...good old tower hamlets..forever abusung the system...labour run i think?

Amazing what a news story can do...well done all outlets that published this story.