[Beso]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dai...t-Muslims.html


Should this be allowed to happen?

I think not.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dai...t-Muslims.html


Should this be allowed to happen?

I think not.

When I saw that picture in the paper the woman had her face completely covered, but she is showing her face in that one?

And no I don't think it's appropriate. I don't know whether the mention of her crucifix being removed and not eating bacon etc is correct, but if proven then that family should not be allowed to foster at all.

[Oliver_W]

When muslim children are put into foster care, they're generally put with muslim parents. If the foster agency (or whoever) can't find a Christian family, it doesn't matter as much because Christians and Atheists are generally more similar than Christians and muslims.

[_baileys_]

It is terrible apparently the adoptive family do not even speak english!

I understand that a child needs love attention etc however the basics of speaking english would be a good start how can you teach a 5 year old who can't understand you and vice versa.. I do hope they find that poor 5 year old a new family really soon

[user104658]

Originally Posted by _baileys_

It is terrible apparently the adoptive family do not even speak english!

"Muslim foster carers told Christian girl, five, that Christmas and Easter are stupid and European women are alcoholics after taking away her crucifix and stopping her from eating bacon"

But also, they don't speak English .


Sooo. OK in general, I would say that vulnerable and already confused kids going into foster care should be placed with a family that is a good match for them... that much is common sense. So placing a child of one (or no) religion with a family that is going to enforce a different religion is an obvious massive error.

That aside, however, I suspect that this article is rather exaggerated?

[_baileys_]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Muslim foster carers told Christian girl, five, that Christmas and Easter are stupid and European women are alcoholics after taking away her crucifix and stopping her from eating bacon"

But also, they don't speak English .


Sooo. OK in general, I would say that vulnerable and already confused kids going into foster care should be placed with a family that is a good match for them... that much is common sense. So placing a child of one (or no) religion with a family that is going to enforce a different religion is an obvious massive error.

That aside, however, I suspect that this article is rather exaggerated?

Indeed it could well be the home is temporary until a permanent home is found..

[Brillopad]

I don't think any non-Muslim child should be placed with a Muslim family if that family is incapable of separating their religion from their job - their professional and moral responsibility of providing the care needed in the best intersts of that child. It is not an opportunity for indoctrination.

[DemolitionRed]

No, its not acceptable. I know a lot of Muslim children are being fostered out to none Muslim families because of the refugee crisis so I'm really surprised these Muslim foster parents didn't get a refugee child. Its normally the case that black couples can't foster a white child and a white couple can't foster a black child (which in some instances is wrong). A child's culture and religion MUST be considered through the process of fostering.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by _baileys_

It is terrible apparently the adoptive family do not even speak english!

I understand that a child needs love attention etc however the basics of speaking english would be a good start how can you teach a 5 year old who can't understand you and vice versa.. I do hope they find that poor 5 year old a new family really soon

I should think they do speak English. They just aren't speaking English in the home.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't think any non-Muslim child should be placed with a Muslim family if that family is incapable of separating their religion from their job - their professional and moral responsibility of providing the care needed in the best intersts of that child. It is not an opportunity for indoctrination.

I agree a Foster carer should absolutely not try to force religious beliefs on a child they're caring for and if they're incapable of doing this then they shouldn't be accepted as a Foster parent. I do agree with TS though that parts of the story contradict itself so I would be skeptical of the accuracy of the story

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I should think they do speak English. They just aren't speaking English in the home.

That demonstrates a lack of consideration for the best interests of the child from the foster family. Don't foster parents get any training!

[Cal.]

I wonder if the child values a family and a roof over their head over bacon. Hmm.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by _baileys_

Indeed it could well be the home is temporary until a permanent home is found..

Kids that are fostered from the age of five to young adulthood, on average will live with 25 different families. Most kids don't end up going through an adoption process... most, from the age of five up, never find a permanent home. I honestly believe a modern style childrens home is more stable for lone children.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cal.

I wonder if the child values a family and a roof over their head over bacon. Hmm.

I think the child would value a family that actually attempted to communicate with them!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cal.

I wonder if the child values a family and a roof over their head over bacon. Hmm.

yeah the bacon thing is a bit stupid and it's another thing that makes me question the accuracy of the story

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That demonstrates a lack of consideration for the best interests of the child from the foster family. Don't foster parents get any training!

Yes, they do get a lot of training but like all carers, sometimes people slip through the net. I don't know how the hell this happened, but I doubt those women portrayed themselves as strict Muslims when going through the fostering process. There's a lot of money to be made fostering. Some foster parents are doing this for all the right reasons but others see it as a lucrative business.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yeah the bacon thing is a bit stupid and it's another thing that makes me question the accuracy of the story

I'm questioning its validity too. I'm wondering if the child is mixed race Middle Eastern but was born here. There's something odd about this story. If though it is correct and the child was born and raised as a Christian, this just shouldn't have happened.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes, they do get a lot of training but like all carers, sometimes people slip through the net. I don't know how the hell this happened, but I doubt those women portrayed themselves as strict Muslims when going through the fostering process. There's a lot of money to be made fostering. Some foster parents are doing this for all the right reasons but others see it as a lucrative business.

I know and my heart breaks for all those poor foster children - what a way to start your life. I agree with the comment that a good quality stable childrens' home would be better for these children. They need consistency and stability as well as good care and hopefully some love.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dai...t-Muslims.html


Should this be allowed to happen?

I think not.

just see this story on wrightstuff paper review - shame on those involved.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I know and my heart breaks for all those poor foster children - what a way to start your life. I agree with the comment that a good quality stable childrens' home would be better for these children. They need consistency and stability as well as good care and hopefully some love.

You hear all these horror stories from Childrens homes too though (and nursing homes etc) The people working in these places need to be vetted properly and they need a good monitoring system

[user104658]

Yeah to be fair, I think it's worth pointing out that the social services, fostering and care system is pretty much a mess from the top down, in hundreds of different ways. The scale of the problem overall is absolutely gargantuan.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You hear all these horror stories from Childrens homes too though (and nursing homes etc) The people working in these places need to be vetted properly and they need a good monitoring system

Oh I agree. Very close vetting and monitoring should be a given. I just think stability is so important. I have heard several ex-foster children say that one of the worst aspects was constantly being moved around and never being able to settle.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You hear all these horror stories from Childrens homes too though (and nursing homes etc) The people working in these places need to be vetted properly and they need a good monitoring system

The scary thing is that they ARE quite well vetted. My wife is working with a charity that helps vulnerable youngsters as one of the (many, haha) side activities that she does alongside University, and she had to have a completely separate round of vetting and long interview process for working with vulnerable youngsters (even having already been through vetting for studying as a Mental Health Nurse).

I guess, sadly, the problem is... just because someone hasn't done anything in the past - or hasn't been caught doing anything in the past - doesn't mean that they aren't capable of it in future. There's only so much that vetting can do.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh I agree. Very close vetting and monitoring should be a given. I just think stability is so important. I have heard several ex-foster children say that one of the worst aspects was constantly being moved around and never being able to settle.

Yeah I can imagine, it must be awful for a child to grow up like that.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The scary thing is that they ARE quite well vetted. My wife is working with a charity that helps vulnerable youngsters as one of the (many, haha) side activities that she does alongside University, and she had to have a completely separate round of vetting and long interview process for working with vulnerable youngsters (even having already been through vetting for studying as a Mental Health Nurse).

I guess, sadly, the problem is... just because someone hasn't done anything in the past - or hasn't been caught doing anything in the past - doesn't mean that they aren't capable of it in future. There's only so much that vetting can do.

Yeah I know there really is no fool proof system, what kind of scum goes into that line of work to abuse the most vulnerable in our society though

[Kizzy]

I'm in shock... someone has it in their heart to open their family to a child in need and straight away there are those who take that a a negative.

Shameful.