You can make all the analogies you like, it doesn't alter the fact that FGM and male circumcision are not the same thing. You didn't even know male circumcision is mostly done for hygiene and medical reasons! Maybe it's best you're out.

I dont mind it turning this way vicky...very interesting opinions...leave as is please.

I was circumcised at age 7 for medical reasons but I do agree with this, and for the same reasons, it's essentially cosmetic surgery if it isn't for a medical reason and NO parent has the right, in my opinion, to alter their child's body permanently for cosmetic or cultural reasons. When it's religious I think at the very least it should be left until the teens, for consent reasons. Also because it should really never be done under the age of 4 or 5. The foreskin is actually "attached" (doesn't retract) before that age, and removal before that age is what causes most of the scarring / damage that some people report in later life. It's a MUCH more simple procedure after the point where the skin can retract on its own.

But yes in terms of comparison... FGM isn't even close to the same physical procedure. The male equivalent of removal of the clitoris would be removing the entire glans (bell end, or "gerry helmet", if you will) :umm2:.

Rape’s rape no matter what. Don’t matter the circumstances.

I wouldn’t be looking for ways to get people lighter sentences for commiting the sickest crime there is when they’re all guilty of the exact same thing.

Mental anguish is subjective. How should that be a factor in deciding what sort of prison sentence rapists get?

But conviction rates are abysmal, the sentence for most rapists is "nothing at all because they walk out of court free".

What if lightening sentences resulted in a significantly higher conviction rate? Is it better for fewer rapists to receive harsh sentences and the majority to get away with it, or for more rapists to receive a lighter custodial sentence than before but at least be convicted (and thus, added to the sex offenders register)?

That's the crux of the discussion really but you're overlooking pragmatism in favour of outrage.

But the government and prison authorities are trying to free up spaces by releasing those with lighter custodial sentences, so I'm afraid that tactic doesn't have a future. We need to change in line with technology. People can live in the community now, but be completely restricted in what they do. We are talking here about criminals that would usually avoid prosecution, so tag em, track em and get them on the sex offenders register ... at least then they are registered as guilty.

That's shocking Livia,I didn't know that,I knew it happened but not on such a scale and I thought it was rare in the UK, it's disgusting that there have been no convictions.:shocked:

170, 000 cases and not one conviction.....


Lets all let that sink in for a bit.....now ask why there have been no convictions?

Is it something to do with the PC liberal left?

Or

As this isn't mainstream muslim practice, you're dealing with an even more isolated community within an already increasingly isolated community, so you will have trouble gathering evidence, taking witness statements, and then expecting people to witness against their own families with intimidation and honour practices (Which again, are abhorrent practices), just like any criminals attempting to cover up their crimes.

It's actually a genuine issue that would make a worthy discussion thread, but I somehow get the feeling that an honest discussion isn't what this about as there was no genuine segue on to the topic.

Try turning it on it’s head.
Rather than lighter sentencing for the less violent rapes, make it heavier sentencing for the most violent.
Being in fear of your life and violently assaulted would get the highest sentencing and punishment for me.

"Rape is rarely violent and doesn’t merit a jail term,
claims Germaine Greer"

Yes She has a way
with her words.
She was on CNN Talk HD
the other week.

She was at the Hay Festival
this week,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/...eg?imwidth=450

Yeah but each of those cases are rape, no matter the circumstances. I wouldn't say those were degrees.

There are degrees of sexual harassment/assault, rape being one. But all of the instances you list should carry the same punishment as they are the same crime whether the victim was attacked by a loved one, a stranger, in a dark alley or in their own home.

Oh yeah, definitely. If a rape also included a vicious beating for good measure then other charges would or should be thrown in too.

So your answer to tackling the decreasing civility in our society is to make it more so?

Nah.

Apples and oranges. One example does not really impact the other.

FGM is vile and more should be done to prevent it and the law should be altered to make convictions easier but none of that is related to the thread at hand.

You call out barbarism while endorsing it through the idea of branding people and other extreme measures. I honestly don't understand how you can't see your own hypocrisy.

This has nothing to do with isolating muslims though, fgm is practiced by christians as well.