[parmnion]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...ine-greer/amp/

[Niamh.]

I don't know about branding or tattooing people but I think she might have a point with this part :

The issue of consent should be removed from prosecutions, Greer said, and some cases could be treated as grievous bodily harm – a crime that carries a lighter sentence and would therefore not prove so off-putting to juries. “Where it’s his word against hers and the penalty is seven years or something, juries won’t convict,” she said.

[Calderyon]

Rape sentences are already mild and should be much harsher than they are. At least in here, where you more times than usual get probational sentence (not going to jail) rather than actual jail time.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

Rape sentences are already mild and should be much harsher than they are. At least in here, where you more times than usual get probational sentence (not going to jail) rather than actual jail time.

The point is the conviction rates are tiny

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The point is the conviction rates are tiny

That is a problem.

Because of the difficulty of proving ones guilt for the lack of evidence?

[Toy Soldier]

"Every time a man rolls over on his exhausted wife and insists on enjoying his conjugal right"

"I was found wandering in the street very confused and rescued, thank God, because the people in the car were a man and a woman. If there had been four men in that car I don’t think you would have heard of me again."

... ... She has some serious issues with men, doesn't she? Obviously there are reasons for that but it is somewhat sad that after all of these years, it still isn't something that she has worked through, and she's still living with that skewed and twisted perspective. She talks about it not profoundly affecting people in any huge way, but she seems somewhat unaware of how profoundly her experiences have affected her?

Basically, I don't think she really has a clear an unencumbered headspace to consider the topic of rape law in any meaningful way. It's informed by a jumble of her own prejudices and trauma.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

That is a problem.

Because of the difficulty of proving ones guilt for the lack of evidence?

In most cases it's going to come down to his word against hers I'd imagine

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

That is a problem.

Because of the difficulty of proving ones guilt for the lack of evidence?

The problem is, though, the harsher the penalties the higher the bar is raised for "reasonable doubt". e.g. change the example to an extreme, a murder case... if the jury is 95% convinced that someone is guilty then chances are they will have no issue sending them off to a life sentence in prison. Change that sentence to the death penalty, and there is a much higher chance that the accused will simply walk free, because most juries are less likely to be willing to send someone to their death unless they are 100% sure of guilt.

Bringing it back to rape cases, sadly because of the nature of the crime and there usually being a lack of evidence, the "certainty" aspect can only ever really hover closer to 50/50...

[MTVN]

I kinda admire her outspokenness but I can't see her comments going down well with the sisterhood

[bitontheslide]

Heres the thing. The objective always is to get the person who committed a crime not do do it or something similar again.

In this day and age, we should be able to be a lot smarter than simply locking someone up. Branding is a no no I think, it just opens up the door for a return to the middle ages, but we have tracking equipment that is very accurate. We can confine people to their homes etc pretty easily.

Serious crimes like murder etc, still require some sort of custodial sentence, but many other crimes simply don't need this

[smudgie]

Different degrees of rape, different sentences.

[Oliver_W]

I'm all for replacing penal sentences with community service, but only for things like theft, tax crimes, and minor assault. There's no point adding to the already cluttered prison system with people who were probably acting out of desperation/had too much to drink. There are plenty of things which need doing out there, but which local councils don't have the resources to address, so yeah, get minor criminals picking up rubbish etc.

Rapists and murderers on the other hand should absolutely continue to face jail time.

[Tom4784]

The idea of branding someone for any reason is barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.

It's a suggestion I've heard before and it's always comes from the same people who are all like 'MUSLIMS ARE GONNA TAKE OVER AND FORCE SHARIAH LAW ON US ALL!' and then they go around endorsing death penalties and branding people without realising the irony.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The idea of branding someone for any reason is barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.

It's a suggestion I've heard before and it's always comes from the same people who are all like 'MUSLIMS ARE GONNA TAKE OVER AND FORCE SHARIAH LAW ON US ALL!' and then they go around endorsing death penalties and branding people without realising the irony.

Yes, i saw germaine greer in speakers corner hollering that through a loud speaker....all true, and not fake news.

[MTVN]

Don't think the branding thing was a serious suggestion tbf lol

[Redway]

Neither. Rapists can rot in hell fire instead.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Different degrees of rape, different sentences.

Rape’s rape just as much as murder’s just plain murder. There’s no question of degree for the sickest crimes out there.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Redway

Neither. Rapists can rot in hell fire instead.

yup, what they do is just sickening, and some of their victims who survived these attacks, have to live with this their entire lives

[Tony Montana]

Has she got a Death Wish or Something?

[parmnion]

After watching inglorious bastards last night i think im begining to lean with branding repeat rapists.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

After watching inglorious bastards last night i think im begining to lean with branding repeat rapists.

as long as the sick losers get the punishment they deserve i am happy

[Matthew.]

no, this is Germaine Greer being ridiculous again

[Livia]

What kind of society would we have to be to do this? Imagine how much money Human Rights lawyers would make.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Every time a man rolls over on his exhausted wife and insists on enjoying his conjugal right"

"I was found wandering in the street very confused and rescued, thank God, because the people in the car were a man and a woman. If there had been four men in that car I don’t think you would have heard of me again."

... ... She has some serious issues with men, doesn't she? Obviously there are reasons for that but it is somewhat sad that after all of these years, it still isn't something that she has worked through, and she's still living with that skewed and twisted perspective. She talks about it not profoundly affecting people in any huge way, but she seems somewhat unaware of how profoundly her experiences have affected her?

Basically, I don't think she really has a clear an unencumbered headspace to consider the topic of rape law in any meaningful way. It's informed by a jumble of her own prejudices and trauma.

I stopped taking this woman seriously when she said all father's sexualise their daughters. A fruitcake of a woman.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Different degrees of rape, different sentences.

Not really. Rape is rape, if it's a "lesser" crime, it's just another form of sexual assault. Rape is a specific sexual assault, surely?