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Polka.dot 20-06-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Captain.Remy
You basically proved my point without being aware of. You just said the man was stronger and was responsible of his family.
And I'd rather trust my girlfriend who was born as a Muslim than you, who are trying to convert but it's not the question.
I never said smoking was prohibited, it is not encouraged unlike drinking which is just bad but a lot of young Muslims do not respect that rule no more.
Just to clarify, being born into a Muslim family does not automatically make a person a Muslim.

Matt10k 20-06-2008 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by farhad
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Originally posted by Matt10k
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Originally posted by farhad
Islam is the true religion
That could be pretty offensive to people of other religions on the forum.
Ok I apologise but to me it is the complete truth.:thumbs:
If people were more understanding with their beliefs and could see it from someone else’s side and didn't make statements like that, there would be a lot less trouble surrounding religion.

It’s all the ‘holier than thou’ attitudes of everyone thinking they’re right and everyone else is wrong that promotes the divides and leads to the hostility that exists between different faiths.

Bells 20-06-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Matt10k
If people were more understanding with their beliefs and could see it from someone else’s side and didn't make statements like that, there would be a lot less trouble surrounding religion.

It’s all the ‘holier than thou’ attitudes of everyone thinking they’re right and everyone else is wrong that promotes the divides and leads to the hostility that exists between different faiths.
I agree with your comments. It's much better to carry out one's faith and set an example that way, rather than set about 'preaching' in all the wrong ways. Making bold statements to people who may well not be interested at all is included, and if anything it puts them off.

However, he has apologised now - so it's probably best to let it drop. :thumbs:

Matt10k 20-06-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by AngnAndy
the only thing I saw 'it' do with any reference to islam was getting dressed one morning in the luxery bedroom.
She was trying on a pair of jeans and asked Sylvia..
Edited - Ash.
:nono:

Captain.Remy 20-06-2008 02:14 PM

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Message original : Polka.dot
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Originally posted by Captain.Remy
You basically proved my point without being aware of. You just said the man was stronger and was responsible of his family.
And I'd rather trust my girlfriend who was born as a Muslim than you, who are trying to convert but it's not the question.
I never said smoking was prohibited, it is not encouraged unlike drinking which is just bad but a lot of young Muslims do not respect that rule no more.
Just to clarify, being born into a Muslim family does not automatically make a person a Muslim.
So you know my girlfriend better than I do huh ? :rolleyes:
She was born as a Muslim and is a Muslim, I think I couldn't make it more clear if I tried.
And you have more chances to be a Muslim if you were born into a Muslim family

Polka.dot 20-06-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Captain.Remy
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Message original : Polka.dot
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Originally posted by Captain.Remy
You basically proved my point without being aware of. You just said the man was stronger and was responsible of his family.
And I'd rather trust my girlfriend who was born as a Muslim than you, who are trying to convert but it's not the question.
I never said smoking was prohibited, it is not encouraged unlike drinking which is just bad but a lot of young Muslims do not respect that rule no more.
Just to clarify, being born into a Muslim family does not automatically make a person a Muslim.
So you know my girlfriend better than I do huh ? :rolleyes:
She was born as a Muslim and is a Muslim, I think I couldn't make it more clear if I tried.
And you have more chances to be a Muslim if you were born into a Muslim family
That's fair enough - this is nothing to do with your girlfriend. I was on about in general.

Slezer 20-06-2008 02:17 PM

Alex isnt a real muslim. In south London there are a lot of gangs that require you to convert to join. This is because a lot of gang members who go to prison ended up converting inside then coming out continuing to participate in gangland activity.

Her ex-boyfriend (on murder charges) is part of a big muslim gang, which is why Im guessing she decided to convert.

letmein 20-06-2008 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Nurse57
"Most muslims wont give a toss"

I think you will find that is the Catholics. :spin2:
Uh, what? They would burn Dennis at the stake. :joker:

AngRemembered 20-06-2008 02:17 PM

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:nono: [/quote]

Oh Mat, I could not resist it, please help me and delete it for me honey. :kiss: :whistle:

Captain.Remy 20-06-2008 02:18 PM

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Message original : Slezer
Alex isnt a real muslim. In south London there are a lot of gangs that require you to convert to join. This is because a lot of gang members who go to prison ended up converting inside then coming out continuing to participate in gangland activity.

Her ex-boyfriend (on murder charges) is part of a big muslim gang, which is why Im guessing she decided to convert.
If she decided to convert then she's a real Muslim. :thumbs:

farhad 20-06-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Matt10k
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Originally posted by farhad
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Originally posted by Matt10k
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Originally posted by farhad
Islam is the true religion
That could be pretty offensive to people of other religions on the forum.
Ok I apologise but to me it is the complete truth.:thumbs:
If people were more understanding with their beliefs and could see it from someone else’s side and didn't make statements like that, there would be a lot less trouble surrounding religion.

It’s all the ‘holier than thou’ attitudes of everyone thinking they’re right and everyone else is wrong that promotes the divides and leads to the hostility that exists between different faiths.
Islam never allows hostility of other faith as it is mentioned several times:

2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way"

2:62 "Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the Sabians; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."

letmein 20-06-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by farhad
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Originally posted by antd
religion is for idiots, no joke

It's funny when people talk about 'double standards'. Of course there are 'double standards' otherwise the world would be without human beings.
Islam is the true religion, no wonder why millions choose to convert to it.
Yes. Sure. It's a religion that kills people over newspaper cartoons.

letmein 20-06-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by farhad
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Originally posted by Captain.Remy
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Then she is wrong IMO, in the Quran a man is given responsibility, not superiority, which means a man should look after his wife and children, earn for them because bioligically a man is physically stronger so he has been given his duty to perform it, and guide them, but he cant force them if they disobey him, thats all in the Quran that force and dictatorship is prohibited, only he should guide them. Smoking isn't neccessarily prohibited but it discouraged. Drinking though is completely prohibited.
You basically proved my point without being aware of. You just said the man was stronger and was responsible of his family.
And I'd rather trust my girlfriend was was born as a Muslim than you, who are trying to convert but it's not the question.
I never said smoking was prohibited, it is not encouraged unlike drinking which is just bad but a lot of young Muslims do not respect that rule no more.
Yes Biolgically he is stronger so he can perform his duty better, he has 100% financial obligation to his wife, a wife can work if she wishes in the community according to Islam buts its not compulsory, but a choice and all her earnings is hers and she doesn't have spend the money as God has made a husband responsible for the financial aspect.
Biologically he's stronger? Religion doesn't deal with facts. Thanks. :rolleyes:

AngRemembered 20-06-2008 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Matt10k
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Originally posted by AngnAndy
the only thing I saw 'it' do with any reference to islam was getting dressed one morning in the luxery bedroom.
She was trying on a pair of jeans and asked Sylvia..
Edited - Ash.
:nono:
thankyou :blush2:

Bells 20-06-2008 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by letmein
Yes. Sure. It's a religion that kills people over newspaper cartoons.
Eh? If you're on about the Danish cartoons, they were disrespectful to the religion itself in the first place.

I'll be honest and admit I haven't heard of any killings though.

As a general rule, please remember not to get personal, or make offensive statements on TiBB.

Matt10k 20-06-2008 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Slezer
Her ex-boyfriend (on murder charges) is part of a big muslim gang,
Sounds like a crazy sort of hypocrisy to me.

Just something about the: 'on murder charges' and 'muslim gang'...

farhad 20-06-2008 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Captain.Remy
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Message original : Polka.dot
Quote:

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
You basically proved my point without being aware of. You just said the man was stronger and was responsible of his family.
And I'd rather trust my girlfriend who was born as a Muslim than you, who are trying to convert but it's not the question.
I never said smoking was prohibited, it is not encouraged unlike drinking which is just bad but a lot of young Muslims do not respect that rule no more.
Just to clarify, being born into a Muslim family does not automatically make a person a Muslim.
So you know my girlfriend better than I do huh ? :rolleyes:
She was born as a Muslim and is a Muslim, I think I couldn't make it more clear if I tried.
And you have more chances to be a Muslim if you were born into a Muslim family
In our belief is everyone in the world who is born was born sinless and born as a muslim, its later when they grow up they convert to another religion because their parents are not muslims.

letmein 20-06-2008 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by bringbackscience
Must muslims wont give a toss
Unless it's a cartoon in a newspaper. :rolleyes:

Alex has been a Muslim for two weeks. She's a ****ing idiot.

Doesn't she realize that not every religious person is Conservative, and a backwards idiot?

She needs to head to Iran.

She should have her face covered. Then we wouldn't have to see her dog face. Too bad they don't use muzzles.

letmein 20-06-2008 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Ash
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Originally posted by letmein
Yes. Sure. It's a religion that kills people over newspaper cartoons.
Eh? If you're on about the Danish cartoons, they were disrespectful to the religion itself in the first place.

I'll be honest and admit I haven't heard of any killings though.

As a general rule, please remember not to get personal, or make offensive statements on TiBB.
You're saying that rioting and setting fire to buildings was reasonable?

They're a bunch of Neanderthals, and I'm not talking about every Muslim, only idiots like Alex.

Matt10k 20-06-2008 02:23 PM

There were death threats to the people who drew the cartoons and rewards placed on them for their deaths, police even arrested people for plotting to murder them. They also torched a couple of Danish embassies if I remember correctly.

farhad 20-06-2008 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by letmein
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Originally posted by farhad
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Originally posted by antd
religion is for idiots, no joke

It's funny when people talk about 'double standards'. Of course there are 'double standards' otherwise the world would be without human beings.
Islam is the true religion, no wonder why millions choose to convert to it.
Yes. Sure. It's a religion that kills people over newspaper cartoons.
What would you do if someone accused and said something against your mother or father without any proof.

Captain.Remy 20-06-2008 02:24 PM

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Message original : farhad
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Originally posted by Captain.Remy
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Message original : Polka.dot
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Originally posted by Captain.Remy
You basically proved my point without being aware of. You just said the man was stronger and was responsible of his family.
And I'd rather trust my girlfriend who was born as a Muslim than you, who are trying to convert but it's not the question.
I never said smoking was prohibited, it is not encouraged unlike drinking which is just bad but a lot of young Muslims do not respect that rule no more.
Just to clarify, being born into a Muslim family does not automatically make a person a Muslim.
So you know my girlfriend better than I do huh ? :rolleyes:
She was born as a Muslim and is a Muslim, I think I couldn't make it more clear if I tried.
And you have more chances to be a Muslim if you were born into a Muslim family
In our belief is everyone in the world who is born was born sinless and born as a muslim, its later when they grow up they convert to another religion because their parents are not muslims.
I know that part too (I don't know many but the principal ones lol) but I told that member on a social side, not the religious one.
You have better chances to adopt your family's religion than another one, no matter what this religion is.

Matt10k 20-06-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by farhad
What would you do if someone accused and said something against your mother or father without any proof.
I wouldn't kill them. Is that what you are suggesting?

Bells 20-06-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by letmein
They're a bunch of Neanderthals, and I'm not talking about every Muslim, only idiots like Alex.
I agree about Alex - I don't think she represents any faith at all.

farhad 20-06-2008 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by letmein
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Originally posted by Ash
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Originally posted by letmein
Yes. Sure. It's a religion that kills people over newspaper cartoons.
Eh? If you're on about the Danish cartoons, they were disrespectful to the religion itself in the first place.

I'll be honest and admit I haven't heard of any killings though.

As a general rule, please remember not to get personal, or make offensive statements on TiBB.
You're saying that rioting and setting fire to buildings was reasonable?

Get the **** over it. They're a bunch of Neanderthals, and I'm not talking about every Muslim, only idiots like Alex.
It was a demonstration against allegation made against our beloved prophet, the video fitna was totally edited and verse twisted around to show Quran emcourages killings of every non-believers when the verse only refers battle to a war in self-defence against the cruel Pagan tribes of mecca.


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