How dare you assume that because of my father's position I am some stupid, spoiled, lazy bastard with no intentions of working. Who the **** do you think you are to speak to me like that in a debate about some unlucky bigot being labelled a hero simply. I know now why you were so eager to know my details, obviously in desperate need of a get out clause from this debate.

Lol @ Mojo's fixation with teens!

Indeed.

Yes you are :xyxwave:

Look kid, it's pointles to even get some sense on your head. If you don't realize how it was back then, no need to even get the message to you :spin:

How old were you 'back then' Mojo?

Honestly you're ridiculous, you've come to this assumption that I'm totally unaware of what it was like back then simply because I said that it wasn't comparable to ****ing Iran. Ironic really considering I'm the one who's studied it in school.

35 now.

and Ireland not a bad place back then???

No internet back in the day. No sir. We used to tear bits of leather off our boots, scrawl messages on them, and get Dino the pidgeon to deliver our views for us.

And one other thing InOne, you were great guy earlier. Now you had turned a totally ahole. I don't give a ****** about Morrissey (but his guitarist (Boz Boorer is amzing guy) and that another fhead Oasis brother on your signature.

I never said it wasn't. And why assume something about someone because of their background? As he told you before he has Irish parents, so I am sure he does have knowledge of the situation. And why would he make a thread if he didn't think he'd be able to back up his points?

Calm down, we can't agree all the time.

Has Morrissey really just been brought into this?

I'm remembering what's great about this place. Thread of the year contender, surely.

I agree. A classic thread in the making!

LOL :) *offthetopic* gonna calm down now, been working every night and it is my first day off. Just tired and getting drunk. And i do love some Morrissey songs. I have a rockabilly/psychobilly backgrond and Gaz Day (bass) and Boz Boorer and Alain Whyte (guitars) are great. But gonna calm down now. Cheers!

Getting drunk? Ada boy. I love getting drunk in the afternoon. The odd switches from monster nixon to nice nixon kinda gave it away too. And now the word 'psychobilly' has entered the fray.

Damn, I need to visit the offy now.

LMAO@this thread. Funny and tragic in equal measures. One thing, when were British troops deployed in IRAN?

He was more than unlucky - he was there because he was brave enough to sign up for a job that put him there!

How the **** do you know why he was there? For all we know he could have been forced into it. And I think you'll find if you go back to the first page that I did in fact commend his bravery for being in the army, just not for being blown up. Darling.

Alas your age is becoming increasingly apparent! :nono: Oh I forgot - sweetie!

I am not attacking you. But I would like to say that not everyone in Northen Ireland hates the British and British soliders.

That youtube vid was very likely put up by an american as they have a quite 1 sided view of things. There great, great, great grandad came from Ireland. So they think that meens they are Irish and understand everything that goes on there.

Aha plastic paddys. Sure Boston probably has a higher density of IRA supporters than Ireland.

sry i dont understand u bbz? i'm too yung for u 2 reply to so ya ave to nit pick on my post ignorin my main pnt innit honeyz?

You don't need to try - it just comes naturally! :hugesmile: Poppet!

You are intitled to your opinion, however my opinion is that your opinion is a massive insult to steve ans ALL armed forces, and an insutle to the familes of such, thats all I want to contribute to this thread, now I will read what every one else has contributed to see how many actually agree with your opinion.

Got to love this thread, could I just say most junior ranks in the armed forces do not join up to lay down their lives for others, some believe the publicity about the training, esprit de corps, some join for the wages, its bloody good money for a 17-20 odd year old who has only Jobseekers Allowance to spend. A few join to get away from home. One or two are psychos who want to go out and see what its like to kill someone. Some join up out of family traditions.

Some join to prove themselves. A lot join for the adventure, that notion is soon changed for a lot the first time they have to arm up with live rounds. Saying that for a few the first time they come into contact with the enemy they become addicted to the buzz, its something that cant really be equalled in civvy street.

Steve was simply unlucky, wrong place wrong time, but to suggest he took the explosion for others is extremely naive. The IED was placed in a Nationalist area, the Falls Road was and still is part of the republican heartland in Belfast, no way would they have set off the bomb to take out civilians.

It was there to take out members of the security forces either the Army or the RUC. To show that the republicans still held sway over the area and that the security forces could operate in the area only at their peril. Its a tactic to prove that the security forces dont have total control of an area, and that the terrorists can operate with impunity.

I don't think most are suggesting that guys sign up with the intention of laying down their lives for others - but, when the time comes and they face danger to themselves and others, most do their job to best of their ability and accept the risks facing them!

A lot leave at the earliest opportunity, but many stay, knowing the risks - and that, in itself, is a brave decision, always being aware that today could possibly be your last!

In my book, Steve was brave because he was there doing his job, regardless of his reason for joining in the first place! If he wasn't there, someone else would have to be. And if there were no 'volunteer's - young guys, like those on this forum, would be conscripted to do it! They should be thanking them, not ridiculing them!

Nobody is ridiculing them for being in the army, as I've already said and reiterated, the thread was not to put down his bravery to be in the army and fight for his country, just to make it clear that walking past a bomb at the wrong time and being unlucky does not make you a hero.

Though on the flip side, I don't see why being an ex forces man makes him immune from being a dickhead and doesn't make him immune from dissecting his person. This is what the entire show is about after all.

:nono:To put this into context... 'The troubles' in NI was not a war, the British Government view was that its occupation of NI was neutral - otherwise your War you talk of would have been civil war ...British forces v British people living in NI..... Forces were there to uphold law and order in NI and the right of the people of Northern Ireland to democratic self-determination, so effectively Steve has never fought in a war

Fair enough - being ex forces does not make anyone immune from being a twat!

What makes me see red is when people, and plenty do, start taking the piss out of his disability - especially considering how he got that way!

But I don't think anyone in this thread has taken the piss out of his disability?

I agree with that.

I admire Steve for getting his life back together after his injuries.

However could i just say that most ex forces, myself included are dickheads. You have to be to sign up in the first place knowing that in peacetime we are barely tolerated if not hated. And the only time we are appreciated is when we are needed.

After training and any length of service most follow a regimented way of life, we are opinionated and in most cases we are generally right. We like leching at pretty girls and have been known to make a fool of ourselves over them.

ok I will contribute more to this thread. i do agree with a lot you say here, yes steve was unlucky, but I am sure too he would know the risk of what could happen to him as many others in armed forces and those that choose to join are brave ( and also heros to an extent)

Lets take Steve out of the BB equation, and give a diferent senario for example..
The original poster of this thread is at a function where there are armed forces are being welcomed home, and among them are wounded soliders just like steve, would the original poster feel 'whats all the fuss? and have the same opinion that the soilders are NOT heros?

Another senario Would it have made a difference if another soilder was beside steve at the time he walked past this barrel, and steve pushed him out o the way, staving his life and taking the blast? would that THEN make him a hero to original poster ( as he says what he thinks a real hero is)

Also as many say Steve has not called himself a hero, others have.

Going back to BB those house mates were NOT randomly pick, steve was because of what has happened to him, and I do believe that some of the public would find it difficult to look beyond this and go just by his personality when juding him.

MY very first opinion when steve was picked (so called randomly) and the fact that BB theme was circus, is that why they choose him and I was not sure that I was disgrace at myself for thinking it or disgraced at BB...I mean there was some very strange people in line up in the launch show.

Steve auditioned, got in I dont agree he should win just because of what happened to him, but IMO he is a hero to have suvived what he went through and rebuild his life considering he was 19yrs old when this happened.

Hope I have made sense here.

As a housemate Steve is dull.

I want Keeva out next week. Steve out the week after.

Some of the posts in here are ridiculous.

Also, mojonixen is banned for his stupid assumptions and insults in general.

I think you're mistaken. The only housemate who was supposedly chosen at random was Mario. The producers were perfectly clear that the others were chosen by them.

To be totally honest, and I don't meant o be disrespectful, I don't see the point in taking this out of the BB scenario, because out of that scenario nobody would think twice about his story and status nor would they know him well enough to bother dissecting it.

So why start a whole thread along the war hero lines? Criticise him for his behaviour in the house. Your judging him for labels others put on him.

Contradiction much.

Lol.

Steve has done well.. well he is a good role model and that.. fighting for our country.. okay he may not be a hero.. but he is a brave honourable person!

However as a housemate.. MEH.

But.. when he is evicted.. he deserves to be cheered!!

You were harryrag! :shocked: What about Charliegimbert?

Oh my god. You are entirely missing the point that I keep making. The thread is not about him as a person. But if you haven't noticed, many people are justifying his horrid behavior towards Keeley and just general unpleasantness by labelling him a 'war hero' and some have even used that as a reason why he should stay even though he's clearly a pointless housemate. And his fellow housemates are clearly scared to nominate him because they think he's perceived as a hero, besides Ben the only one with enough sense to see past the surface. The point of the thread was to say - actually no, he's not a war hero therefore there is no reason what so ever to keep him there.