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Z 11-01-2014 01:31 AM

I haven't voted in the poll because I think the argument that transpired made Luisa look awful and while Dappy didn't come out of it much better than her, he did at least make some good points; and I feel that the poll somehow condones either of their actions... but yeah, Luisa and Jasmine are correct, Dappy is ignorant.

Ammi 11-01-2014 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6606104)
What Dappy was saying is sexist, misogynistic drivel and anyone that agrees with him quite frankly needs to seriously evaluate their world view because that's just hypocritical nonsense. All about the 'lad' VS 'slut' culture, it's just sad. And to hear women agreeing with him is the most saddening thing of it all for me, it just goes to show how so many of them fall victims to such an oppressive and sexist belief and culture system that's constantly perpetuated throughout the media and society.

On a separate note however I'd also like to point out that I've never...really...properly understood anyone's issue with consenting single adults that are sexually promiscuous? Like, why is it important or anyone else's business but their own? I couldn't give a sh*t what people do in their free time or how many times they do it to be quite honest, so long as the people involved are all consenting, of age and are all single (I accept that it becomes an issue when people are cheating)...what exactly is the problem here? I'm not saying that everyone has to engage in that kind of behaviour, for some sex is regarded as something about love and to be with someone you feel close to, and I accept that, but I really have never understood the massive deals people make about people sleeping around when they're single and people are consenting? For many people it's just sex, who really cares? Having terms like 'sluts' and '*****s' and 'slappers' (notice there's barely any of these kind of words for men also) bandied about so often in society is really quite depressing IMO, is what other people do in that aspect of their life really that important to anyone else but those people? There's much more pressing issues on this planet and in my life that I'd rather be focusing my attention on quite frankly.

..I agree with you, Jack in that if someone is free and single and also open and honest about it..(in that they're not leading anyone on to think it's something more than sex etc..)..then it really is up to them what they do and that's regardless of gender...I don't think it's what is perceived as the 'norm' in society and that's why Jasmine was right when she said it's opinion/subjective and I think it is the sort of thing that will spark strong opinions..?..but gender shouldn't come into it...but in the argument as such, for me there isn't a 'side' because they were both as bad as each other from what I could see in that Luisa was wrong and totally out of order to comment on what Dappy's mother would think and he had a right to be angry about that..but then he countered that by making similar comments about Luisa's daughter and what she would think of her mum...two wrongs etc and they both behaved really badly in that whole argument imo...

thesheriff443 11-01-2014 07:13 AM

both did them selves no favors with the argument.
men want sex and are happy to get it, if a woman wants it, but these women are someone else's sister or mother, and men don't like to think that its their sister or mother having sex.

BBUKAUSFAN 11-01-2014 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 6606555)
both did them selves no favors with the argument.
men want sex and are happy to get it, if a woman wants it, but these women are someone else's sister or mother, and men don't like to think that its their sister or mother having sex.

your basically saying woman can only have sex if a man allows them to? :conf:

thesheriff443 11-01-2014 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BBUKAUSFAN (Post 6606557)
your basically saying woman can only have sex if a man allows them to? :conf:

of course im not:conf:

Semtex 11-01-2014 07:39 AM

I'm with Louisa on that, even though Dobby got an A* in English init.

Northern Monkey 11-01-2014 09:03 AM

I think the main difference is that....women get pregnant for a start,It may not be fair but that's life and nature.A woman sleeps with 5 men in a night and gets pregnant,She has no clue who the father is and who should help her raise her child and also the child no clue who his dad is.Nature is sexist in that respect.It is worse for a woman than a man,Sorry but that's the truth,Women have to be responsible for their own bodies,As do men but men don't get pregnant.EQUALITY SHOULD'NT OVERIDE COMMON SENSE.

Jake. 11-01-2014 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 6605677)
Agree with Luisa (and not just because she is my fave), it is sexist.

Literally was going to type this, people need to forget who their faves are and look at the actualy argument in hand.

Kyle 11-01-2014 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jemal (Post 6606026)
you know what.. I was gonna keep quiet cause theres alot of over sensitive people on this forum.

But for god sake? 5 men in one night? Where im from thats disgusting, and im not sexist before anyone tries to kill theirselves over it.
Also men are pigs if they do 5 women in one night.

Its just vom. And tbh if a girl is known as a slag for that then so be it. Because thats disgusting. Full stop.

Scream isnt sexist hes just speaking the truth imo.

I'd love to know how many men could manage to get 5 women in one night without paying for it or being famous (and that's considering his tackle is up for the business)

On the flip side I reckon 99% of women could find 5 consenting males to have sex with if she so wished.

Pete. 11-01-2014 09:42 AM

Luisa won this hands down - Dappy showed himself up for what he is

coolface 11-01-2014 09:51 AM

doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, it's gross either way

MrWong 11-01-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 6606603)
I think the main difference is that....women get pregnant for a start,It may not be fair but that's life and nature.A woman sleeps with 5 men in a night and gets pregnant,She has no clue who the father is and who should help her raise her child and also the child no clue who his dad is.Nature is sexist in that respect.It is worse for a woman than a man,Sorry but that's the truth,Women have to be responsible for their own bodies,As do men but men don't get pregnant.EQUALITY SHOULD'NT OVERIDE COMMON SENSE.

Not if she's on the pill and using protection.

Therefor she can have as much sex as fellas.

wendywillow 11-01-2014 12:02 PM

I think the main difference is that....women get pregnant for a start,It may not be fair but that's life and nature.A woman sleeps with 5 men in a night and gets pregnant,She has no clue who the father is and who should help her raise her child and also the child no clue who his dad is.Nature is sexist in that respect.It is worse for a woman than a man,Sorry but that's the truth,Women have to be responsible for their own bodies,As do men but men don't get pregnant.EQUALITY SHOULD'NT OVERIDE COMMON SENSE.

and if its the man doing it he would be impregging (new word) 5 women and have no way to support all of them.

Livia 11-01-2014 12:03 PM

I think that Dappy (who I am definitely not a fan of) said, if a man sleeps with 5 women in one night, he's a pig, and if a woman sleeps with 5 men in one night she's a slut. I agree with that.

MrWong 11-01-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6606868)
I think that Dappy (who I am definitely not a fan of) said, if a man sleeps with 5 women in one night, he's a pig, and if a woman sleeps with 5 men in one night she's a slut. I agree with that.

He eventually said that, after backtracking considerably.

Initially his opinion was that the man was 'cool' for sleeping with 5 women and a woman doing the same would be a *****.

Livia 11-01-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 6606893)
He eventually said that, after back chatting considerably.

Initially his opinion was that the man was 'cool' for sleeping with 5 women and a woman doing the same would be a *****.

I don't recall hearing that. If that's what he said initially, then he's even more of an idiot that I initially took him for. They're both idiots, actually... and Luisa was very wrong to drag Dappy's mother into the argument to score a cheap point.

MeMyselfAndI 11-01-2014 12:22 PM

Yeah he said 'cool' & Luisa & Jasmine were not happy, he later backtracked & said Pig.

MrWong 11-01-2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI (Post 6606917)
Yeah he said 'cool' & Luisa & Jasmine were not happy, he later backtracked & said Pig.

He also lied and made out he'd said pig all along.

Stevep 11-01-2014 12:50 PM

I can't believe there have been 97 replies to this thread, 1 reply should have sufficed, Dappy is wrong.

You cannot claim that when a woman sleeps with 5 men she is a slut and when a bloke does sleeps with 5 women it does not equate to the same thing.

Kazanne 11-01-2014 01:10 PM

I know that it should be the same for men as it is women,why anyone would want to have sex with 5 different people in one night is beyond me but I guess it happens the thing with me that makes the deed different for men and women is for men it's all external with women it seems more 'wrong'(for want of a better word) as it all takes place internally which for some reason seems more intimate and to get different sperm in there all the time could be seen as dirty,lol I bet I've worded that wrong but hope you see what I mean,a woman is usually thought of as more particular than a man,but from what we are seeing,perhaps not,lol.

Z 11-01-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6606989)
I know that it should be the same for men as it is women,why anyone would want to have sex with 5 different people in one night is beyond me but I guess it happens the thing with me that makes the deed different for men and women is for men it's all external with women it seems more 'wrong'(for want of a better word) as it all takes place internally which for some reason seems more intimate and to get different sperm in there all the time could be seen as dirty,lol I bet I've worded that wrong but hope you see what I mean,a woman is usually thought of as more particular than a man,but from what we are seeing,perhaps not,lol.

No I get what you mean Kaz. I think that's why there is that inequality... for men it's (this is a bit disgusting :laugh:) out of their system when the act is over; for women it's not and I think that matches up with stereotypes that women are emotional and take things to heart easily (see: Casey) whereas men get it out of their system and move on to the next thing (see: Lee)... speaking in very general terms of course.

Obviously Dappy is wrong. Luisa completely undermined her argument because of what happened afterwards, so I would say Jasmine won the argument because she made good points and didn't turn it into a personal slanging match.

smeagol 11-01-2014 01:51 PM

whats this sleep thing it drives me nuts people dont sleep with eachother.
cant stand that saying. oh they slept with someone oh thats ok. er no they didnt they had wild crazy dirty sex lol.

if a woman has sex with 5 men in one night she is defentialy a slut
if aguy has sex with 5 women in a night - he is a liar lol

Kazanne 11-01-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6607033)
No I get what you mean Kaz. I think that's why there is that inequality... for men it's (this is a bit disgusting :laugh:) out of their system when the act is over; for women it's not and I think that matches up with stereotypes that women are emotional and take things to heart easily (see: Casey) whereas men get it out of their system and move on to the next thing (see: Lee)... speaking in very general terms of course.

Obviously Dappy is wrong. Luisa completely undermined her argument because of what happened afterwards, so I would say Jasmine won the argument because she made good points and didn't turn it into a personal slanging match.

Glad you got what I meant Zee,it was difficult to word without sounding sexist:hugesmile:

Kazanne 11-01-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smeagol (Post 6607039)
whats this sleep thing it drives me nuts people dont sleep with eachother.
cant stand that saying. oh they slept with someone oh thats ok. er no they didnt they had wild crazy dirty sex lol.

if a woman has sex with 5 men in one night she is defentialy a slut
if aguy has sex with 5 women in a night - he is a liar lol

:joker::joker:love it

thesheriff443 11-01-2014 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6606653)
I'd love to know how many men could manage to get 5 women in one night without paying for it or being famous (and that's considering his tackle is up for the business)

On the flip side I reckon 99% of women could find 5 consenting males to have sex with if she so wished.

im sure if you went to a weight watcher's meeting a man could get to the number five before the break:joker:
five woman in one night, thats a good swingers venue:joker:

BigBrotherfan4ever 11-01-2014 02:58 PM

I was totally on Louisa side in this whole argument, Dappy is sexist pig.

Northern Monkey 11-01-2014 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 6606711)
Not if she's on the pill and using protection.

Therefor she can have as much sex as fellas.

Big IF there,Alot don't,Which is both the man and womans responsibilty,Only the woman is left with the consequences.

Northern Monkey 11-01-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6606989)
I know that it should be the same for men as it is women,why anyone would want to have sex with 5 different people in one night is beyond me but I guess it happens the thing with me that makes the deed different for men and women is for men it's all external with women it seems more 'wrong'(for want of a better word) as it all takes place internally which for some reason seems more intimate and to get different sperm in there all the time could be seen as dirty,lol I bet I've worded that wrong but hope you see what I mean,a woman is usually thought of as more particular than a man,but from what we are seeing,perhaps not,lol.

Very good point,I agree.

MrWong 11-01-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 6607225)
Big IF there,Alot don't,Which is both the man and womans responsibilty,Only the woman is left with the consequences.

Was Luisa arguing that she shouldn't use protection then, whilst sleeping with 5 men? Otherwise I'm not sure why it's being brought up.

Northern Monkey 11-01-2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 6607277)
Was Luisa arguing that she shouldn't use protection then, whilst sleeping with 5 men? Otherwise I'm not sure why it's being brought up.

I did'nt bring up the part about using protection,I just answered it.Also protection is not a 100% fail safe,If it fails a woman is STILL left with a fatherless child.

Im_Juz_ChiLLin 11-01-2014 03:42 PM

TiBB are on Team Luisa's side by a majority !!! Hence confirming Dappy Duck is gonna be fried by the public after tongihts episode of the fight.

MrWong 11-01-2014 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 6607290)
I did'nt bring up the part about using protection,I just answered it.Also protection is not a 100% fail safe,If it fails a woman is STILL left with a fatherless child.

You mentioned pregnancy as a reason why women can't engage with multiple partners. If she uses protection she can. Implant, pill, condoms etc..

It's still a strawman, as neither Dappy or Luisa mentioned it.

Samm 11-01-2014 03:52 PM

Luisa is the best everybody risehttp://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/cust...ar59572_33.gif

Slevin 11-01-2014 03:59 PM

this lad is team Luisa over Dappy. i think its equally as bad as each other for either side.

Northern Monkey 11-01-2014 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 6607324)
You mentioned pregnancy as a reason why women can't engage with multiple partners. If she uses protection she can. Implant, pill, condoms etc..

It's still a strawman, as neither Dappy or Luisa mentioned it.

No,They were talking about why it is seen as worse for a woman to sleep with 5 men in a night than it is for a man,Hence why women seem to be called sluts for doing so.I offered some reasons as to why this could be.Also i think Kazanne has a very good point on it.The fact that a womans body has to be entered making it seem a more personal thing for a woman than a man.

MrWong 11-01-2014 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 6607455)
No,They were talking about why it is seen as worse for a woman to sleep with 5 men in a night than it is for a man,Hence why women seem to be called sluts for doing so.I offered some reasons as to why this could be.Also i think Kazanne has a very good point on it.The fact that a womans body has to be entered making it seem a more personal thing for a woman than a man.

No they weren't?

They were discussing Dappy's views that a lad is cool and a woman is a *****.

Im_Juz_ChiLLin 11-01-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam <3 (Post 6607335)

Queen Luisa has spoken :devil:

Marsh. 11-01-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scream (Post 6606007)
Whether people like it or not we all have different reactions to something if it's done by a male or female. It's not necessarily sexism, it's just how it goes!

Yes, it is common. But it's still sexism.

Whether you like it or not, judging men and women unequally is sexist.

Brother Leon 11-01-2014 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Im_Juz_ChiLLin (Post 6607312)
TiBB are on Team Luisa's side by a majority !!! Hence confirming Dappy Duck is gonna be fried by the public after tongihts episode of the fight.

Dappy will finish well above Luisa and it doesn't matter what any TIBB poll says about that:xyxwave::xyxwave:

Videostar 11-01-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Im_Juz_ChiLLin (Post 6605672)
According to Dappy if a women sleeps with 5 men she's a slut but if a a man sleeps with 5 women it's ok. According to Luisa he's being sexist and should be ashamed of himself. So who do you agree with? YOU DECIDE.

It doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong, Luisa lost the argument as soon as she resorted to personal insults with the "low IQ" comment, then bringing into the row his mother...Luisa is a silly moo.


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