Seems like some people care more about people potentially seeing some pixels than they do actually tackling the problem. Feels like faux concern.

But what is abuse///violence etc...like a kid playing a game gets angry at losing and throws the controller smashing the telly screen with it....is that the video game changing how this kid reacts, does that come under this studys findings?

thats just the kid being a brat though, the video game isnt teaching him to thow his controller and smash the tv

People have been trying to prove a link between video games and violence for years to no avail.

Nor do they disprove them, it's simply a theory that is under review isn't it?

I'm not looking to propose my opinion as fact, all I'm wanting at the moment is the right to have one without being insulted.

I would be interested to see those.
I don't think I'm the first person to pose this theory no, what a strange question.

Could you tell me why you think the assumption is prejudiced... do you consider gamers a marginalised group?

Of course it's a form of prejudice; you aren't seeing statistics or figures that show an increase in certain behaviours associated with video games... You've heard "people say" that there is a link and then trying to find stats and figures to back up that opinion after its formed.

And no, at this point, I would say that gamers (people who video game to at least some degree) are actually fairly mainstream - however - 15 / 20 years ago gamers certainly WERE a marginalised - and occasionally mocked - group. And there was a period of time where the (unproven, and still unproven / debunked) claims about violence and video games were constant tabloid fodder. We seemed to have moved on from that in the last decade and even to be "getting there" in terms of gaming being considered as legitimate a form of adult cultural expression as film / music / television so yes... It's exceptionally frustrating when people - usually older people who had no experience of gaming then and have no more now - start hauling out those same old dusty arguments for another whirl.

If Esther wants to conduct a study and DEMONSTRATE to me that there are problematic psychological effects stemming from video games then I'm more than willing to examine those claims and think about what might be going on. While her evidence remains "because I just think it probably does..." it's nothing more than, in my eyes, an outdated and unfounded opinion.

More ageism from you then? nothing to substantiate your claims of reduced real life violence..

There is nothing that you've shown me that suggests it's on outdated and unfounded opinion except your opinion... You stood on your soapbox due to your young white male opinion that she is not entitled to one.
There isn't a topic on this forum you haven't had an input on, again, what gives your views credence on those?

The game triggers the behaviour though.

I don't really care if you believe that it reduces violence Kizzy - I'm on the fence on that one personally, I doubt it has an effect either way... because violent people are violent for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with video games.

As for the rest of it; the onus is not on me to "prove that games don't increase violence". That's not how this works and you know it. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim, in this case, Esther and... Well... You.

If someone has anger issues, there's many things that will trigger it.

The trigger isn't the problem, the anger issue is.

If they have anger issues!

What if the kid or adult hadnt shown any anger issues before hand? They then hurl a controller through the tv....bad day at school? Or the frustration at losing some pointless one on one.

If they've never shown anger issues in the past you think a video game is going to create one out of thin air?

If they hurl a controller through the TV because they lost some pointless one on one then they have some issue with temper and violence anyway.

A perfectly normal person without those issues isn't going to over react so extremely and violently to a trivial game.

I disagree, maybe ask all the parents replying about hearing clattering and banging and foul mouthed expletives from upstairs, if the kids had shown previous examples of this behaviour before playing the game...

Then if they say that they did, you may want to explain to them how you think their child is abnormal.:nono:

Their child has an anger issue. If they want to blame it on a PlayStation instead of actually addressing that problem, that's their own issue. And it'll be a much bigger issue later on.

Throwing solid objects around the room because you're losing a game IS abnormal, as in, most kids DON'T do that.

Why does a child start having anger issues?

Abuse, fear. .gaming.......etc etc



A normal child could easily turn into an abusive little angry **** within 3 months of gaming with their mic turned on....it cant be denied games and gaming changes kids.

Why don't you ask them? Considering it's you who first made the ridiculous assertion that video games create temperamental and violent kids.

If a trivial game causes them to kick off, you can bet that even without a video game, something would cause them to kick off. Again, it's not the trigger to blame but the anger issue itself.

:rolleyes:

Well, the vast majority of kids don't throw controllers at the TV.

Could? Where is your source for this?

There's no evidence that this has happened.

I think maybe the lines are blurring between growing teenagers who are going through extreme hormonal changes and gaming. If they're not erupting because they lost a game, they'll erupt at something else.

If a fully adjusted adult is getting violent, then that says more about them as a person than the video game.

I dont need a source...it cant be denied.

Yes, you're making quite a large claim. So, yes, you're going to need proof of it.

But you have none.

Frustration and a feeling of powerlessness, usually. Most common reason is that it's a learned behaviour from an angry parent.

Gaming? No. The kids who are lobbing the controller because they've lost a round of CoD are the same kids who started kicking sh*t around the gym hall at school when they were out first in Dodgeball, or picked last for football. The activity that they're getting angry about it irrelevant: if someone is displaying disproportionate anger during ANY activity then they have an emotional issue and poor impulse control, problems that will eventually affect them in every area of life. Probably better to catch Little Jimmy's anger problem when he's playing Xbox with his brother to be honest - otherwise you're going to find out about it when his first girlfriend dumps him and he throws a temper tantrum about that with m children more real consequences.

On a separate, but not unrelated note I regularly become extremely frustrated with computers, laptops and phones that are slow beyond belief. Even if it's only lagging a couple of seconds.

Did the computer create my impatience? Did it heck.

As a sumsung tv repair man i also come into contact with frantic mothers explaining how the tv fell over leaving an impact from blunt object smash on the tv in the kids room.

It can and is being denied and claiming that you don't need a source would make you look almost unfathomably stupid... IF it wasn't so obvious that you're just fishing for a reaction :idc:.

But let's blame the black box on the floor rather than parent the child, eh?

Are these same mothers replacing the TV each time rather than addressing the clear issues with their children?

Also, I hope you get paid the going rate of a psychologist, given that I gather you carried out a full assessment of these countless kids.

You can only parent the child after the event has happened, what i am saying is that gaming can trigger a reaction like that in a kid that hasnt shown any signs of anger in the past so im not do sure why you are getting as arsey as ts is.

I take my side on this issue using real life experience which i think is the best way to go as gaming is such a big money spinner now that only an idiot would believe any studys in the matter.

Some children are prone to frustration. My son is a case in point. He gets terribly frustrated with lego....at the moment that frustration manifests as tears as he is only 7. I am a fairly calm person so he doesn't get his frustration from me. He doesn't have any gaming consoles yet (although I'm tight because everyone in his class has at least 1 apparently) so his frustrations stems from somewhere else. Most children grow out of it I think

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I provided links that back up my theory... you rubbished them.
That said there is no concrete evidence either way all I'm asking for is not to be insulted for putting foward a view... :/

I'm not getting arsey.

On the topic, emphasis on the word "trigger".
A wife who forgets to buy something from the shop can trigger her abusive husband to give her a smack. Is she the cause and reason for his violent temper? Or is she just an outlet for issues he already has?

The same applies here. If they're not throwing gaming consoles around in frustration at a game they lost, they're screaming their head off with road rage in a car or throwing the spanner across the shed when trying to fix their bike.

Triggers come in many forms, but are not the cause of someone's personality traits.

Well... we're all only using our experiences. That's all we can do.

What I will say is, meeting mothers who need new TV's due to kids throwing consoles is not a valid argument to back up the point you were making. That's not a source or evidence, it's simply an anecdote.

Hi annie.

Would it be fair to say most kids grow out of lego so the frustrations go away?

If so, if that child was then given a games console, the childs frustrations would increase rather than stay the same due to the amounts of adreniline the childs body can produce as it ages? And can it increase further as the games they can access are designed to produce more adreniline rushes?

Hey Parm

I honestly don't know about that....I think my son's frustration stems from being fairly intelligent but his motor skills are still developing so whilst he knows what he wants to do and how things should work his coordination skills are still developing. I've not let him have a console as I prefer him to play out and play with toys while he's still young enough to do that and has far too much energy to sit still and play a game. my stepson is a gamer and isn't affected by the games he plays but he is very laid back. He can lose hours playing though.

Perhaps marsh knows the answer?


Sound like a contented life. May i ask what games the oldest plays?

All the usual ones teens play (he's 16) but I don't know what they are lol. There is a lot of shooting and thats when I lose interest. Although he doesnt want CoD WW2 as hes a bit done with COD. He plays a lot of betas on the PS.

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And what I'm saying is, if a kid has an anger / frustration response like that triggered by something as simple as playing a game, it's probably better that it IS triggered by playing a game / lobbing a controller, so that they can get help early with their anger and impulse control problems... Because something is going to trigger it eventually, and rather a smashed TV than a glass smashed in someone's face at the pub, or a fist smashed in a girlfriend or wife's face for pissing him off. No?

i was slicing monsters into pieces with a chainsaw when i was eleven years old on gears of war. i am now suffering from a severe addiction to korean boy bands. keep violent video games away from your kids, people! you don't want your son to end up like me!

Less of the snide remarks please.

It's almost as though you can't stand someone challenging your posts.

Again, I refer to my Loch Ness monster argument.

I've not insulted you so drop the victim act and accept the fact that people can have their opinions on YOUR opinions because that's how discussions works.

You made a absolute statement that is ultimately unfounded despite many studies since the early 90's to try to determine whether games can make people more violent. Science has not been able to find a link in that long, it's safe to say that it does not exist.

You can make your statements and I (and anyone else) are perfectly entitled to tell you that you are wrong and point out why.

Let's be real here, Parm does not believe a word he is saying and what he has said has already been disproven by years of research by psychiatrists and scientists that understand the human condition and the causes and effects of emotional issues far better than anyone here.

If all those studies couldn't find proof that games make people more prone to violent acts or anger that they didn't already have the potential for then it doesn't exist.

So I refer to actual scientific study and you to an analogy involving the Loch Ness monster?... ok.

I haven't stated at all that games make people violent.... you're wrong there,I suggested they normalise violence to an extent where it may be possible to become desensitised TO violence.

I had an opinion on the topic, it'd disingenuous of you to suggest I haven't watched the trailer or if I did I mustn't have understood it, I found that insulting. It's not for you to say how I find your responses .

I don't accept your 'right ' to tell me my opinions are wrong, and as I have stated many times now the accusation of being ignorant or inexperienced on any given topic is not a reason to denigrate anyones opinion.

It may be that a longitudinal study is required the measure the childhood to adulthood effects...who knows?

I don't care one iota whether you feel my opinion is wrong, bur have the respect to acknowledge I am entitled to feel how I choose on this or any topic.