I have not been a member here and have seen a few seriously vitriolic homophobic posters come and go but xXEtchieXx probably represents a large proportion of males in this country. I am not saying all but a fair few.

There are many who do not want to admit to their feelings about homosexual men because if they do they fear they will be ostracized and this is exactly what has happened here to a certain extent. There are probably woman who feel the same way about lesbians too if the truth be told but the truth is not told is it?

The younger generation will talk about this more as you have pointed out but the older ones will not. This is an excellent thread and the more this is discussed the more intolerance is wiped out.

Well done everyone who has contributed.:thumbs:

Can you point out where I have misquoted you please? At least back up your allegations. And the reast is irrelevant is it? How opinionated you are.

Utter garbage. What a comparison, it's not like we're talking about gay people being killed or raped are we? We were arguing about homophobia on a forum. I'm not gonna argue with someone who puts homophobia in the same category as rape. Incredible!

I didn't state or incinuate that.
The rest was irelevant to what was being discussed.
And yes I am opinionated, opinionated and proud of it!

You fail to see the irony. You are trivialising something that is a serious subject. You have no argument, you are just prejudiced in my opinion. I think everyone can see that now.

You said that clearly, and you assumed that later, don't get us wrong with that ! You may offended some people on the forum, that's weird.

Don't know how the thought entered my head then?

Quote me.

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

Quote - "I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?"

This states quite clearly to me that it is unnatural as men cannot reproduce. Anyone else care to comment?

Therefore you state and incinuate that ! :wavey:

That's about two men kissing on BB not gay people as a whole.
And you would say that that is me saying homosexuals are unnatural because they cannot reproduce is it?! LOL

And thats me saying homosexuals are unnatural because they cannot reproduce? No it isn't.

"I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce? And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

Are you blind or what ? Really ! It makes me sick that you can't see what you said and the meaning of that. :yuk:

I have already, or did you miss that too? It would be interesting if some other members would comment on this.

I have to go now, but I will respond to any comments tomorrow. Do not worry.

I will for you ! :thumbs::laugh2:

Yes if you read the posts before that you would see that was about the act of men & men kissing, not gay people as a whole.

Isnt the issue of "natural" and "unnatural" just down to semantics?

Anyway, thanks for this thread as it has made me realise why I have felt uncomfortable seeing two guys kissing and embracing. Not saying that this is the case for anyone else but it goes like this:

If anyone sees something that the link to sex they will oftern get turned on, the same goes for words such as lust, caress, kiss etc.. When a "straight" guy sees two men kissing they may get turned on by it as they are linking it to sex. Since they feel they are only attracted to the opposite sex this will most likely confuse them and they chose to blank it out rather then come to terms with it. If they feel very confused they may try to take it out on those they feel are responsible, i.e. the two men.

As I say it may well not be the case for anyone else but I find it interesting.

what are the most of time, 2 men kissing ? Pathetic, you have no excuse really. I said "the most of time" don't get me wrong with that.
As a straight guy, for me it doesn't matter really what 2 men do in their bed. One of my friend is lesbian and when we go in nightclubs, and she kisses a girl, for us, it's like if I do it with my girlfriend.
After, there is the sort of "I kiss you but I'm straight" game. It's just for fun, 2 girls kissing or 2 guys kissing. There is nothing about homosexuality.

I cant quite believe that the most sensible post in the thread has been over looked.

Wiglet you speak wise words - this is a great, well thought out post :dance2:

Couldnt agree with you more

Karma + for wiglet :thumbs:

I think to say it is rampant is a little unfair, when you look at the actual size of the membership you will find that it is actually a small minority who are actually out and out homophobic.

Some posters are thoughtless and that comes from lack of life experience or life skills. Some people have very limited communication skills which shines through in posts.

I know if I see anything that looks homophobic I take immediate action, but sometimes debate about these issues is healthy, it allows people to be educated through debate.

Also at the bottom end we have some mean, nasty members who are going to do and say anything to get a rise and they are the ones we all need to look out for really.

I agree with what you say about Chris Moyles ( I love him) he does get away with making many homophobic comments, but they are usually made to Aled who has accepted them as part of his role in the show which is a shame really, I would love to hear him stick up to Moyles and let rip!!

Without wishing to stir up a great big pot, I read the post by xEtchieXx to which we are now banging on about,( the nicest possible sense) to read that sex between two men was unnatural.

I was rather shocked to read it stated like that and took in a little, but deep intake of breath because I knew darn well you were going to put yourself in a whole lot of trouble. You then dug yourself a deeper hole with further comments.

What you are stating some people will agree with. But tell me, do you have a perception of what a gay man/woman is and is it a case of you are fine with people being gay as long as 'they get on with it in their own yard'? Without putting words in your mouth that is what it looks like.

I don't know if that is homophobia or straight forward ignorance?

Thank you for my karma:blush2:

welcome wiglet I gave you Karma for an excellent post

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Can some comment please on my theory in my last post about why straight men may have a problem with seeing two men kissing, would be interested in your views, esp. Psylocke's. :elephant:.

Edit: Wiglet, always enjoy reading your posts on all the topics :thumbs:.

very Interesting perspective,and one that psycologists use in determining why some people are violent homophobes.

People that hate somone else,espically others sexuality,usually are uncomfortable because somwhere inside them they are unsure or confused about there own sexuality.they use others as a focus for there confusion which usually turns to hate.

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I think I will resume what's going on:

homophobic people ! Accept the others, you are just jealous ! :pat:

Is that alright ?

Swearing or trying to use swear words with stars in place is against forum rules, warning will be issued if this continues - sunny_01

Hehe, good point, I have studied psychology a long time ago but didnt consciously link theory into practice or into my own experience (always nice when you can link the two though).

I honestly believe the best way to deal with homophobic attitudes is to first understand where they are coming from and then lead them to where you are or atleast a place where both sides can get on with one another.

Thanks for your reply.

Taijitu : We should all take on board your theory and the next time we see a homophobic post we should simply just respond to the poster with "You're gay!"




Note: This post was created with the intention of adding some humour onto the end of a very well debated subject. The author of this post takes no responsibility for any offense caused to members who may or may not have a sense of humour.

xXEtchieXx, the problem with your post was, you made a compasrison on the fact that it was two men not for the fact that it was Gerry and Seany kissing. It may not have been homophobic but just be carefull beore you tap or bang next time. You're angry or just not thinking, who knows?

Nice av Stropz :colour:

Thanks mate! :thumbs: Did you like my wee joke as well? :tongue:

stropz i did :laugh:

Homosexuals are gay. :wink:

Call me conservative and I honestly do not want to offend anyone but IMO I don't think that is an appropriate avatar for a forum with young members.

Why Kristen?