Clearly for the same reasons she did, they're at war with each other, part of that is playing the victim.

This is why I find it sickening that anyone would describe this as in anyway a positive for victims of domestic abuse.

It seems some people can see the imbalance when it favours the man, but not when it's favouring the woman, that's extremely problematic.

...but it isn’t slanting it in the opposite direction..(...as I see it...)...to only look at court rulings to be proven truths ...he is a proven abuser, Amber Heard isn’t...for the moment, she isn’t...

Yes but he is the one who is suing the Newspaper here not her

To call it a win for victims is a slant and a misrepresentation. I don't care how people justify that narrative.

you mean from this documentary?

I never said she had? :conf:

I said they've both brought the details of their relationship into the limelight in an effort to expose the other, and to defend themselves.

Him exposing her actions = misogynistic victim blaming
Her exposing his actions = a win for domestic abuse victims

That's just... all kinds of wrong.

...okay, so this is my words and what I said...?...as from the last lockdown, I have personal experiences of domestic abuse in homes and it being male on female abuse ...?...yeah, those were my thoughts as we go into lockdown again because it’s a huge concern for victims...?....the added stress atm and then condensing that stress into confinement’s....anyways, I realise that I focused quite singularly there because of personal thought processes and that abuse is extended to all victims, regardless of gender...as it couldn’t not be an equal concern...I apologise for that, Marsh...I do get very focused in at times...

I don't think that's what Ammi had said though, I wouldn't like to speak for her but isn't this the first actually proven instance of abuse happening in the whole saga? Not just them throwing mud at each other

Oh, there's no need to apologise, honestly. Your view is your view.
It's just the amount of misinformation that gets spread (I know, I know, what's new on the internet) is incredibly frustrating. With people treating it like it was a domestic abuse court case where it's been judged Johnny Depp abused his wife. Full stop.

When the case was only focussed on libel for one article the Scum posted about him.

The use of the result of that to entirely change the narrative is troubling.

I would call the recordings ironclad proof. But that's up to individuals.

Also, my posts aren't all directed at Ammi. :laugh:

Edit - Yes, let me just clarify I'm not having a go at Ammi, but the entire representation/attitude to this I've seen in the media/social media/on TV since the verdict. :worry:

Oh I don't think anyone really believes that's the whole story, it's just a bit off in my eyes that he would go that far to lie about him having any involvement in the dishing out of abuse and I think maybe that could be bad for male victims of abuse coming forward, if you get what I mean?

Anyone? :suspect: I will completely disagree with you there. Loose Women yesterday (god knows what possessed me to watch it) championing what it's done for women repulsed me.

Absolutely, my point is this case hasn't done anyone any favours, least of all Heard and Depp themselves. It's why I can't fathom the idea of the verdict being good for anyone bar more justification for a biased and cesspit media. But that's just business as usual for the Sun.

Johnny wasn’t on trial, so I don’t see how it can be seen as him being found guilty of anything

...the thing is though, it’s not really judging Amber, though because it’s specific to what he did...as in he said the Sun were lying and they weren’t ...(...is the finding...)...that it was truth...So acknowledging his abuse as a court proved fact...also has to acknowledge Amber’s victim of abuse as a court proved fact also fact, also...that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t a victim also, that would have to also be assessed in a court...but that doesn’t take from her being a victim...

It just annoys me that she protrayed herself as the victim.
Especially when the tapes came out and what I always suspected was true : that's she's a very abusive kind of person.
Now Johnny may not be perfect, but he's not malicious like her.
He may have had to defend himself, but there's nothing wrong with that.

...yeah, I won’t watch the trailer again, Nicky...but I believe that’s the one...

No. COMPLETELY disagree.

This was not a domestic abuse trial.

he tried to challenge reality and force the press to portray a false picture of who he is as an individual

Anyone that I've seen then :p
God knows why they both didn't just lie low and hoped it would all just blow over.....

Well the Sun were on trial for lying about him being abusive and it was found that they weren't lying so :shrug:

No he didn't. :suspect: They already falsely presented his former marriage as one-sided.

He's always shunned the media. Probably why they were so eager to pile-on.

With all due respect Vanessa you have absolutely no idea what kind of a person Johnny is

He couldn’t prove to an acceptable level that he didn’t beat his wife, how does someone prove something like that? Especially in a world right now where men are automatically believed to be the abusers

...no it wasn’t but, I understand that...but there was specific note made by the judge that at least 12 abuse allegations were found to be truth by him and the court...therefore there had to be a victim of those at least 12 truths...

Maybe not, but he's always been my favourite actor and I've followed his career over the years.

No, the Sun proved to a sufficient standard that he did do it

...anyways, I’ll leave you all to it...(...after lighting the fire with my morning thoughts...)...if there is more justice and more victims and more truth to be revealed then I hope that, that happens...

Completely disagree.

The presentation of facts within a context is key.

Him abusing Heard is one context.
Him abusing Heard and being on the receiving end of abuse from Heard is an entirely different context.

So, you can say "technically" The Sun cherry picked "facts" of actions Depp carried out. Are those facts a "whole truth" that accurately represent an "abuser" and a "victim"? No. It's a technicality.

The relationship was toxic. There are huge amounts of fault on both sides if the evidence presented at the trial is to be believed. No man should ever lay a hand on a woman but simarly the opposite is true, no woman should lay a hand on a man in anger and I believe they have both abused each other.

The only "winner" in this case is the Sun. I think it could have a massive detrimental effect on male costing of abuse coming forward due to the courts believing the woman.

Yep.

...but the courts felt that the contexts were there for the ruling of ‘truths’...anyways, later alligator...I’m off...:love:..

Johnny Depp is going to appeal. Right decision.

It was based on the technicality of a "fact". An isolated fact is not a whole truth. Much less the representation of what The Sun claimed those facts represented, which is a far more complex story.

Laters. :love:

Funny, that’s literally what Amber did

Ah, I forgot Dan Wooton was Inspector Morse

Let’s face it, Johnny was always going to be labelled as the abuser or the man that got away with being an abuser, that’s how it works and that is down to Amber purposefully portraying herself as the ultimate innocent victim when she is in fact, far from it

The court ruled on it of course.

This. She's not a victim at all.
I think she's very manipulative.

What world do you live in Liam where you think men are the hard done by ones in these things? The whole world (and TiBB) were weeping for Sean Connery the other day who had very questionable views on hitting women and had also been abusive to atleast one of his wives, it didn't seem to affect his career or anyone's opinion on how wonderful he was though. Lets just see how the careers of Amber and Johnny go after this to decide who's label sticks hardest

The world has changed since Sean Connery's heyday.

I didn't even know about his views on violence against women until someone posted on twitter in response to someone saying RIP.

As an experiment lets see who's career survives this, I give it a couple of years and Johnny Depp will be back in leading roles and he will be the lovable rogue he always was and Amber will have disappeared in to obscurity

You said the sun proved it, with what? All they had were Ambers stories