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Johnny Depp loses 'wife beater' libel case against The Sun
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Pirates Of The Caribbean star Johnny Depp was unable to
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he was not violent towards ex-wife Amber Heard.]

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Its costed him Millions.

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They were quite blatantly violent towards each other, if you listen to the tapes between them that much is really evident. Whether or not she introduced it into the relationship isn't really relevant in this sense, and also if you listen to the tapes it's hard to argue that she isn't abusive/has a SEVERELY warped perception of relationships, but yeah... while it seems like she encouraged it and he wanted it to stop... it's been fairly clear that the violence in the relationship at times went both ways to at least some extent.

That said, of course, I hate that tabloids peddle this stuff in the first place and I also hate that people will lap it up.
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They were quite blatantly violent towards each other, if you listen to the tapes between them that much is really evident. Whether or not she introduced it into the relationship isn't really relevant in this sense, and also if you listen to the tapes it's hard to argue that she isn't abusive/has a SEVERELY warped perception of relationships, but yeah... while it seems like she encouraged it and he wanted it to stop... it's been fairly clear that the violence in the relationship at times went both ways to at least some extent.

That said, of course, I hate that tabloids peddle this stuff in the first place and I also hate that people will lap it up.

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[Johnny Depp, 57, has lost his long-running libel battle
with his ex-wife Amber Heard and The Sun newspaper
The star's reputation lies in tatters after
London's High Court found he did beat Heard during their marriage
Heard's legal team released a statement this morning
saying that they were 'not surprised' at the judgement
The Aquaman actress, 34, had tearfully told the
court of 14 occasions in which Depp had hit her since 2013
Depp sued The Sun over a 2018 article with
the headline: 'Gone Potty: How can JK Rowling be 'genuinely happy'
casting wife beater Johnny Deppin the new Fantastic Beasts film?'
He said the allegations had cost him his role as
Captain Jack Sparrow in the Pirates of the Caribbean films
The trial was told of Depp's incredible drinking and
cocaine binges, his lavish spending and jet set lifestyle
In his ruling, the judge dismissed Depp's claim saying
the publisher proved the article to be 'substantially true']


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How does one prove that they don’t beat their wife? Surely it’s down to the accusers to supply the burden of proof? I feel sorry for him, Amber tried and succeeded in ruining his reputation while she gets off mainly free
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How does one prove that they donít beat their wife? Surely itís down to the accusers to supply the burden of proof? I feel sorry for him, Amber tried and succeeded in ruining his reputation while she gets off mainly free
the american libel system works completely the other way round, guess that was his mistake
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Both as bad as each other. Said it all along.
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She? This isn't Heard's trial.
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She? This isn't Heard's trial.
She's been through a media trial for sure.
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...the judge has said that he finds 12 of the 14 allegations against Johnny Depp to be true ....and theyíre pretty horrendous allegations, which would indicate somewhat of a monstrous character...
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She? This isn't Heard's trial.

Yes it was Just Depp foolish taking the Mighty
Sun on in a UK court.


He should not have taken the libel case
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depp is a good guy she is evil. she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.
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depp is a good guy she is evil. she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.

Except when he was taking Cocaine
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Both as bad as each other. Said it all along.
I agree - the tap recordings of them have a part where he says something like "the violence has to stop" if they're to stay together and she responds "I can't promise that" - people quickly took that to mean that she's violent towards him and he's 100% victim, when the other evidence made it much more likely that they had a violent relationship on both sides, that it had become normalised as part of their fights, and that he had gotten to a place of wanting it to stop whilst she wasn't willing to commit to that. Like I said before, that's definitely down to a messed up perception of a normal relationship, but it definitely doesn't mean that there wasn't mutual violence before that point.

Basically I think they had a messed up relationship, he wanted a commitment to fixing that, she said she couldn't make any promises and they rightly separated. It would have been better for both of them if that had been the end of it tbh. Both were abusers, both were victims, and both have permanently damaged careers. What a mess.
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depp is a good guy she is evil.
Fairy-tale stuff, that's very rarely an accurate interpretation of the real world.

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she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.
Her being "more violent" is irrelevant in this case; he was arguing that it was libel to say that he had been violent. If he was indeed violent - the claim is true and the reason doesn't matter. It becomes a bit of a playground "Well she hit me first!!" situation... it's not how adults should operate.

If your partner is hitting you, you leave them. You don't start hitting back and call it provoked.

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depp is a good guy she is evil. she is the perpetrator in every argument and she has been far more violent too, the judge got this horribly wrong.
...how would we know that Amber is the perpetrator of every argument, though...how can that have truth with so much we donít know...
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I agree - the tap recordings of them have a part where he says something like "the violence has to stop" if they're to stay together and she responds "I can't promise that" - people quickly took that to mean that she's violent towards him and he's 100% victim, when the other evidence made it much more likely that they had a violent relationship on both sides, that it had become normalised as part of their fights, and that he had gotten to a place of wanting it to stop whilst she wasn't willing to commit to that. Like I said before, that's definitely down to a messed up perception of a normal relationship, but it definitely doesn't mean that there wasn't mutual violence before that point.

Basically I think they had a messed up relationship, he wanted a commitment to fixing that, she said she couldn't make any promises and they rightly separated. It would have been better for both of them if that had been the end of it tbh. Both were abusers, both were victims, and both have permanently damaged careers. What a mess.
There was also the accusation towards Johnny that his relationship with Kate Moss may have had some domestic violence, I have no idea if there is any truth to that however his 2 other long term exes came forward to his defense where as Kate was very quiet..even after Amber alleged that he had pushed her down stairs during their relationship

It may be the case that Johnny reacts in certain ways to certain types of personalities, who knows but neither seem totally innocent to me
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the judge came to the conclusion that there was ample evidence that Depp did beat his wife, which is what the libel case was about. In that circumstance it doesn't matter if one was as bad as the other, "the Sun was telling the truth"
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...Johnny Deppís lawyer has just said that the decision will be appealed...

...I mean, because innocence is initially assumed so guilt has to be proved, as it were...to have ruled that 14 allegations of abuse were felt proven, it all must have surely been pretty damning for Johnny Depp...
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There was also the accusation towards Johnny that his relationship with Kate Moss may have had some domestic violence, I have no idea if there is any truth to that however his 2 other long term exes came forward to his defense where as Kate was very quiet..even after Amber alleged that he had pushed her down stairs during their relationship

It may be the case that Johnny reacts in certain ways to certain types of personalities, who knows but neither seem totally innocent to me
There were rumours years ago he attacked Kate and once threw her down the stairs. Since she never came forward to debunk them I honestly believe it happened.

TS said everything I think really, better than I ever could. Both drug abusers who battered each other. I personally think both should be held equally accountable. My issue comes with people demonising Amber and then posting crap like '#justiceforjohnny' like he was a cowering victim sitting in corner of the room.
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I hate siding with the Scum, breaks my heart but he did abuse her (and she abused him before anyone starts) and they were man and wife so their description of him is accurate.
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I hate siding with the Scum, breaks my heart but he did abuse her (and she abused him before anyone starts) and they were man and wife so their description of him is accurate.
...yeah thatís exactly how I was feeling when I saw the news, Amy...but it sounds like a pretty damning certainty from the judge...so accuracy in what was reported by the Sun...
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I just wish "news"papers would stick to news (even if it's just light-hearted frivolous stuff) rather than reporting on celebrities' personal lives.
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