Mmmm

Half Baden Powell half Enoch Powell .


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Kemi Badenoch v the Post Office is a great political soap opera. Like much good TV, however, it distracts us from reality. The business secretary fired Henry Staunton, the former chair of the Post Office, in January. A month later, Staunton told the Sunday Times that Sarah Munby, a senior civil servant, instructed him to slow compensation payments to victims of the Horizon scandal. Badenoch then launched an extraordinary character assassination from the dispatch box in the House of Commons, claiming Staunton had been fired after accusations of bullying (she originally told the public he had left by “mutual consent”). It’s not clear which story is true, but the prime minister notably refused to repeat Badenoch’s claims.


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Esther McVey
helping Jenrick.

The problem with all of these.
Is they've all been part of the problems and scandals of the Cons in government.

How many PMs have they switched from and supported different policies totally of.
Coming out to defend PMs on policy and even wrongdoings.

The Cons need to look further afield.
I used to like Tom Tugendhat, I kind of still do but he's going down the ugly rhetoric of leaving the ECHR.
Which is just sounding like Sunak and others again.

Reform must be celebrating at the prospect of one of these taking over.
I am no lover of the Reform Party or Nigel Farage.
In fact I disagree with all they are.

However you know where you REALLY are with those in Reform because they stick to their principles.
Whichever one of these lot are elected as leader of the Cons, Farage and his party can discredit said leader at every turn.

All of them represent the errors of the past and nothing at all as to real change for the future.

Only Boris can save the Tories


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:joker::joker: I half thought you may come in and say something like that.

I guess instead of electing one of these useless candidates who supported the rot once it set in.
Then they may as well choose the guy Johnson who started the rot in the first place.

Reform may have had problems more re Johnson but I think his time has well and truly passed now, even moreso with only 121 MPs.
The Con membership still have some affection for Johnson though.

Boris is the ONLY current politician who even now has millions of admirers


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As an orator and campaigner.yes.

As a leader in politics now, I'd question that really.
The time has ticked by.

Maybe had he stood against Rishi Sunak in the second election of 2022.
However really he didn't actually have enough Con MPs votes then even to go through and he realised that

People have short, selective memories

12 months of Starmer and Rayner and rioting.. then the sandwich Boris had in his back garden will all be forgotten.

Its pure folly to deny Boris’s popularity


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I know you like him Zizu.

However in the election just passed in our canvassing, the number of Con former voters leaving the party and most going to Reform.
The vast majority of them never want to see Johnson again.

I think he knows that too which is another reason why he maybe chose to not in any meaningful way engage in the election.

We shall see ..
Millions left the Tories because they got rid of Boris ( and the way it was done ) and who replaced him


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Are they still a thing?

In today's Sun on Sunday

Jenrick has stated we need TV debates between the
possible Leaders,

Yes
BBC1HD
ITV1HD
Ch4HD
Ch5HD
SkyNewsHD &
GBnewsHD

If I was a Tory, and I'm not, I'd vote for Kemi all day long.

To be fair, I don't mind her actually.

I think she's by far the best of a pretty poor bunch.

I agree Livia.
It's going to be a hard task for whoever wins.

Because I now cannot see Reform not being a growing force.
How much it grows will depend on how effective the new Con leader is.
I wonder if you agree with that.

It's kind of like in the 80s
Where the opposition vote split between Labour and the Alliance( SDP/LIbs).
It took at least 2 elections for Labour to just neutralise the effect of the Alliance.

However I have a feeling that Reform will more likely than not build on where they got to this election.
They did get the 3rd highest voting figures.

Yes one of the top
of the 6.

Good GBnewsHD
does their Normal Political show 9:30AM -11AM Sundays
featured Jenrick, David Davis.

Unlike BBC Laura and
And Sky News Trevor both on breaks

i don't think any of the candidates will be able to turn round the tory party. None of them are without blame for the absolute mess the tory party has been in for the last few years. The eventual leader will be someone that breaks through that had a relatively clean pair of hands through all the mess. That's going to take time, probably at least a couple of years, so this is all a giant waste of time at the moment

I tend to agree with that.

Kemi



Now,
Live on 3 news channels



Talking about her vision..............

Kemi... The best of a really sucky bunch.

She is taking
Press questions

SkyNewsHD is still with it


BBCnewsHD left it going to their reporter.

Mel Stride MP is likely to be the first kicked out
of this race.


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The Tory Party and Man united are very similar at the moment

Kemi Badenoch MP
Tom Tugendhat MP
Robert Jenrick MP
James Cleverly MP
Mel Stride MP
Priti Patel MP


6 of them
soon to be 5 or 4 of them

Tom Tugendhat MP
was live on all 3 news ch's,

He was surrounded by Young Men

The BBC News feed Froze.
so that was the end of that, they never went back

SkyNewsHD
and GBnewsHD carried on with the live broadcast.



Meanwhile Mel Stride MP
has not bothered to do an event
so he should be gone soon

I really did think that Tom Tugendhat could have been a very good leader of the Conservative party.
Even just 2+ years ago I felt that.

Not now.
He's gone down sadly the silly more ugly rhetoric and is as much a part of the problem of the past years of shambles too.

Probably Kemi Badenoch is a safer choice but she too is still part of and a reminder of the shambolic period of government just ended in July.
So it may be, she will find herself replaced before the next election.

It's no joy to me to see the oldest Party in politics in the state it's in.
It's got major problems on several fronts.
To win Reform voters back the Cons will need to get to even more extreme ugly rhetoric.
Thereby alienating the more moderate thinking voters.

To win over the more moderate voters, they'll need to stop running up the rearside of UKIP MK3, really the Reform party.
So then could lose more of Con members and some of their voters from 2024 too.

I would not like to be the next Con leader.

Whoever comes up with a viable, workable plan to curb immigration and stop the boats will sweep to victory. That will not be Labour or the Tories.

it's not as obvious to everyone, but the tory party now doesn't bear any resemblance to the tory party of the 90's or earlier. It doesn't reflect the majority view of the british public. Whoever wins the leadership wont turn round tory party popularity because they aren't tories anymore.

I honestly don't think the party as it exists now will be around in 10 years. A new party needs to be created that better reflects normal british people without extremist viewpoints

Do you think Reform holds extremist viewpoints?

absolutely

Like what, for instance?

if you don't know that, there is no point in me explaining

they also promote racial hate, sometimes subtly other times blatantly