I won't even dignify your post with a reply El Proximo:hugesmile:

2/10 for effort, but fails since it has no intrinsic meaning or relevance:D

agreed, its those greedy corrupt politicians, the army are only following orders, just like hitlers gasmen were following orders, so who can blame them right?

the same can be said for the immigration policy, dont blame the immigrants blame the politicians, go to the ballot box

Yes I know they did, I was painting targets at the time. You will notice the words I have highlighted in your C&P - "bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets"

The harrier was the GR7, it carries max payload of 8000 lbs that would also include its ECM pods, Fuel tanks for the trips, actual bombs carried would have been two x 500lbs or a single centre line 1000lb. Hardly enough for carpet bombing.

try googling landmineaction dot org resources, it gives you the ingo you need there to get up to speed sonny. links dont seem to work here.

I think part of the reason the UK is more politically correct and multicultural than the rest of Europe is because our indigenous culture and history is so dull. Britain was always better known for its innovations in the natural sciences than the arts, where the French, Germans, Dutch and Italians outclass us to the point of being embarrassing.

Part of the problem is that nationalism and patriotism as we understand it today originated in the 19th century... a time when folk art and nationalist music of Wagner, Chopin and Tchaikovsky was celebrated. Obviously Germans are not so proud of their country (despite their rich heritage) because of the Third Reich, but it is easy to understand why they had so much to be proud of before all of that.

All that Britain represented in the 19th century was the chest-beating pomp of Lord Nelson, Queen Victoria and the British Empire. We even had to make up our own folk stories like the legend of King Arthur, because our medieval literary heritage was so barren. Britain suffered a similar predicament to many other anglophone countries. Its traditions lie in the valuing enterprise over creativity and pragmatism over idealism. As a result, Britain is culturally impoverished and doomed to forever suffer an inferiority complex towards its neighbours.

PMSL I dont need to google anything, and I am probably a little older than you.

This. We've got it good over here. We live in a democracy where people can choose what they want to happen. Yes, the government have got quite a few things wrong over time, but i'd rather be paying 2p more for my my packet of polo's than be hunted and killed for moaning about it. Consider yourself lucky.

i am sure you dont, never let the truth get in the way of a good fairytale, seems to be your motto.

Is that the best you can come up with?

Where in any of your wiki quotes does it say we caused thousands of casualties in Kosovo by offensive air? In fact wasnt there praise of the 6 aircraft from 1(F) squadron operating out of Gioia del Colle because of the accuracy of the strikes against Serb military positions?

Incidentally on the raids of the 24th, only one RAF dropped ordnance, the rest of the aircraft returned to Italy still fully loaded. That was to prevent hitting civvy targets by mistake. Different story on the 25th and subsequent raids.

Can I ask why this is posted in a BB forum? Surely there are political forums in which you can discuss this, I dont think the Big brother tv programme can address your issues.

Speaking English was all the dignifying I could ask for.

I've seldom read such tosh - Britain has a rich and magnificent history and has contributed greatly to the world in terms of literature, art, engineering, technology, exploration, science, medicine, invention etc etc.

We are such a fractured society that there is no national cohesion or common purpose any more, and I doubt we will ever again see the kind of unity and love of country that helped us stand alone for two years during WW2.

As a Brit, far from suffering from an inferiority complex, I am extremely proud of our heritage and contribution to the world, and grateful to the servicemen who died in order to keep this country safe from invasion and occupation.

Precisely what I queried in my first post on this thread - where are the mods? They should have moved this to Serious Debates by now.

Er....i think you need to get a grip.

I would like to point out, to the less fortunate on here who seem to have missed out on an education, that Britain was invaded long before it started invading others.
I refuse to apologise because my ancestors were better at kicking arse than others....I WASNT AROUND BACK THEN. And when the Italians, French, Germans, Scandinavians etc apologise for invading Britain....then a serious dialogue may be achieved. Until then i'll let their ancient conquests go as i can understand that it has nothing to do with the modern day incumbents of those countries.

As for our modern invasions....correct me if im wrong, but Iraq was invaded by a UN backed force initially due to Iraq illegally invading a sovereign country, Kuwait. The subsequent invasion was after successive attempts to bring the Iraqi regime back to the rule of international law and not mass murder Kurds, Shiites etc.
And the Afghan invasion was perhaps due in main to a little event that happened in NY 09.11.2001.

100% behind both current wars.

Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).

Ah just seen this....so you are familiar with the historical event then?

So if as you say....we bombed certain Serbian military targets due to the Serbian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties....how the hell can you say we bombed Kosovo???? And i take it millions were not killed here?

Niamh has conveniently forgotten that while the British were busing making the Empire and invading all those poor countries, Irishmen joined up locally raised regiments of the British Army voluntarily. Hence such famous and historic names Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars,
Irish Guards. Queen's Royal Irish Hussars, Royal Irish Artillery, Royal Irish Lancers, Royal Irish Rangers, Connaught Rangers, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers,
Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment, North Irish Horse, Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Royal Irish Fusiliers, Royal Irish Regiment (1684-1922) Royal Ulster Rifles,
Royal Munster Fusiliers, South Irish Horse.

Dont forget the Irish invasions of Wales and how the Irish took the Welsh as slaves. St Patrick himself Welsh was made a slave by the irish.


Slavery is a part of most nations history, nothing to be proud of but nobody can use it as a stick to beat other nations with as it was universal practice for everyone at one time or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

I 100% respect that....its a shame though i'm not allowed to be English with my own English parliament and national anthem. :rolleyes:

I guess this is a good point to add this:

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

and

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

Nah people in glass houses shouldnt walk around naked.

This!

The English are treated like an unimportant underclass. We deserve an English Parliament to deal with English matters, just like the Welsh, N Irish and Scots.

Touche! I'm obviously not as well up on my history as ye are:hugesmile: And I do enjoy reading you're posts. Same can not be said for some other blatantly rude and ignorant posters (one in particular) who shall remain nameless!!!