Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6178371)

That was not sexual assult. "Intent". Look it up.

And I'm sure Hazel will get booed. All the women will boo the beautiful model... same as always.

Originally Posted by Speedster (Post 6178498)

she (Gina) thinks that Hazel is more attractive than her.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6178511)

Wouldn't be hard! ;)

Originally Posted by Speedster (Post 6178498)

Exactly. The crowd almost always boo women, they almost always cheer the men, it's always driven Me insane-to Me it's just silly girls on a hero worship trip-trying not to say sexist or double standards"-but I think there's masses of bias on the show.

And I really think that Gina doesn't like Hazel because she (Gina) thinks that Hazel is more attractive than her. Which she is imo.

Originally Posted by kate2013 (Post 6178878)

Two to tango means each owned a part to play. A person needs to own their inappropriate behaviour in an incident to prevent recreating it elsewhere.

Daley needs to accept that he chose to flirt with Hazel despite having a girlfiend. He needs to accept that he was willing to jeopardise his long term relationship for all the plans he had made in his head regarding him and Hazel. He could see the tipping point but he chose to tip it. Hazel cannot make him do that. Is Katies son his? did he ever disclose the existance of a child? these are things I don't know. He needs to accept his controlling behaviour and do what he needs to, to change it. He has an ideal in his head and sort to mould Hazel into it by commenting about her appearance. Hazel has the right to wear her make up as she wishes. So has any woman. The controlling was visible before the drinking. Alcohol only serves to affect peoples morals and judgement. When he already appears to be a troubled individual it does not bode well. Wherever this side of Daley came from, be it his upbringing in which he may have been subject to this type of control and violent aggression, or taught that its ok to treat a woman this way, he needs to learn it is not ok to act this way. It is only then he will be able to comfortably mix with others without fear of himself or others. I hope he moves on from this.

Hazel is controlling in the way she interacts with men. She got off in pressing herself on Daley with "cuddles" so she could give them a hard on, and walk away enjoying the power of it as Daley tried to cover himself. This is inappropriate behaviour and her psychological state has to be questioned as to why she feels the need to do this to men?
As Daley was battling with his conscience, new found celebrity status, ideals, and whether to go for it with Hazel if he could get confirmation that Katie was no longer interested, Hazel never had any real interest in Daley. When the housemates intervened and Hazel was booed and called a Homewrecker, she admitted the Daley thing was out of "boredom." In the safe house the fight for control between Daley and Hazel escalated and ended the only way it could when two people are of this mindset, drunk, on tv, and thinking about their status in the house and the show they are putting on. Hazel in her part demanding cuddles, then pulled his pants down showing all of Daleys genitals to the public without his permission. How would Hazel feel if Daley had pulled her knickers down exposing her vagina? She too should of been removed from the house for this action.



Finally, when everything had calmed down Big Brother (after interviewing an upset Katie) gave the viewers the opportunity to vote Daley and Hazel in to the safe house. An utterly disgraceful move in the face of the Katie inteview which shows that Ratings really do trump the concern for housemates or family members. I truly hope that both Hazel and Daley and his family take something positive from this now they have had the opportunity to see the shadow side of their characters and are able to look at what brought them about and how they can change them, obviously national tv isnt going to be the least shaming place to have witnessed them and been given this opporyunity , but they've got to deal with this now and hopefully move on as more aware individuals.

As for Big Brother they need to start looking at their behaviour and call a halt on things begore an unstable character ends up killing themselves as a result. Know your limits BB, and your duty of care.

Originally Posted by bez87 (Post 6178921)

Listen when it comes down to it, the only one responsible for what happened is Daley


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Originally Posted by bez87 (Post 6178921)

Listen when it comes down to it, the only one responsible for what happened is Daley.
Forget the pants pulling moment, the moment he turned was well before that, and deep down we all know it changed when they went into the safe house, just by the way he was talking to her about the make-up something didn't sound right in my mind. We all have choices in life at any given moment.

Hazel did wrong by pulling his pants down, but from what she told Dan it was a bit of fun, i agree with her, i think she thought that this was his way of flirting, because he demanded she come back into the house and go to sleep like a good little girl. She was drunk he was drunk forget the camera's were even their i don't think neither of them really gave much thought to them, like some people on this board think their playing a game every moment of every day. This incident does not justify what happened next and it comes down all on Daley.

But give credit where it's due, Daley has apologized and understands completely what he has done. He does need help.

The one thing i didn't like about the interview was the it takes 2 to tango which when watching the show, she clearly says this when talking about the incident.
The other main big concern was, the talk about this whole girlfriend thing, this so called "KATIE" who we should all feel sorry for and all that, was back stage waiting for him, why was she even there, absolutely nothing came of that. What we have to remember is Emma would of been briefed before hand on what she can and cannot say to him.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6178930)

Add "in my opinion" and that's fine.

The viewing public do not share that opinion. But there's nothing wrong with being a minority, even a small minority. :)

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6178933)

I think he's talking about the assault. And like I've said about a squillion times... but one more time for the Queen: you cannot claim someone provoked you into striking them. That's not an opinion, that's the law.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6178930)

Add "in my opinion" and that's fine.

The viewing public do not share that opinion. But there's nothing wrong with being a minority, even a small minority. :)

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6178934)

There were several assaults that night by both Hazel and Daley. Which particular one do you mean? :)

Originally Posted by bez87 (Post 6178937)

Well if i'm a minority thinking that Daley threatening another human being for hardly any reason at all esp a woman then, the world has gone made, and no one has morals anymore, or dares to stand up and take resonsibility seems like we have become a world who would rather put the blame on everyone else. disgraceful

Originally Posted by bez87 (Post 6178942)

What assaults???? pulling pants down doesn't come close.

Originally Posted by bez87 (Post 6178942)

What assaults???? pulling pants down doesn't come close to wanting to headbutt someone for nothing.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6178954)

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about? :)

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6178934)

There were several assaults that night by both Hazel and Daley. Which particular one do you mean? :)

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6178954)

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about? :)

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6178964)

There was no indecent - or any other kind of assault, apart from when Daley first struck and then put his hands around Hazel's throat aggressively. Seriously... Were you watching a different programme?

Originally Posted by anne666 (Post 6178951)

You are in a majority on here I think. Some however are in the category of the last part of your sentence. Running round in a wheel not aware of that.Claiming men have no self control so its all the womans fault .

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6178954)

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about? :)