Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9186035)

I don't believe that for a second... PC is a blanket term for absolutely anything that is counter to the media inspired standpoint on any given topic.
It has no specific meaning, there has been opposition to the word 'bigot' yet this has a set definition, a criterion, if you make a statement that is by definition bigoted then stand by that and own it... don't cry nonsense words.

PC or politically correct is for me a term that infers something was legislated for and passed into law, if you are politically correct you are acting within the remit of the law...is this not a civil duty, so to go against this would this not be an act of civil disobedience?

'PC supporters, by behaving in a manner in common with those they deride, have done no favours for the minority groups they proport to defend'

What does this mean?... We will attack minority groups even though it is against the law and if you object then you are just making things worse?.... I don't understand, is this another way of saying 'put up and shut up? be complacent? compliant?

I am not 'PC' I am a free thinker, it is a tool of social control to attach labels to things to create folk devils, such as PC , SJW these can then be used to group individuals together who are totally unconnected to make it easier to rail against them.

Those who oppose the mistreatment of any minority group are not to blame for the rise of authoritarianism more those who allowed themselves to be manipulated into thinking that this was a right and proper thing to do on a civil, legal and human level. My feeling is that those against those who aren't is more than likely to do with guilt... they know deep down that it's wrong but it makes them feel bad to be constantly reminded of it. Hence the blanket terms and derision.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9186609)

The word 'bigot' may have a set definition but people apply that definition according to their own perception of what they think someone means or an agenda - it certainly doesn't make the use of the word in any given situation correct.

As for the mistreatment of any minority group - again that often comes down to perception/agenda. Wanting to protect the quality of life in their own country and protect British culture and identity is not 'mistreating' minority groups however much PC twists things, using derisive and blanket terms in an attempt to gag their freedom of speech.

Not wanting certain religions to have their own laws and indulge in behaviours that flout our equality laws is not mistreatment of minorities it is standing up for our own beliefs and way of life and not allowing those to be mistreated by minority groups who have no respect for them.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9186629)

So in other words... It's not PC to call someone a bigot? :joker:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9186609)

The word 'bigot' may have a set definition but people apply that definition according to their own perception of what they think someone means or an agenda - it certainly doesn't make the use of the word in any given situation correct.

As for the mistreatment of any minority group - again that often comes down to perception/agenda. Wanting to protect the quality of life in their own country and protect British culture and identity is not 'mistreating' minority groups however much PC twists things, using derisive and blanket terms in an attempt to gag their freedom of speech.

Not wanting certain religions to have their own laws and indulge in behaviours that flout our equality laws is not mistreatment of minorities it is standing up for our own beliefs and way of life and not allowing those to be mistreated by minority groups who have no respect for them.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9186996)

Just uninformed.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9187037)

Is it uninformed to call someone PC? or a SJW?...

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9187034)

Out of interest what would an example of a bigoted comment be for you,
If it is so ambiguous and meanings differ based on perception?

Who ever said protecting British culture was mistreating minorities?... you're projecting here.

The example in your last comment is most strange, you appear to be referring to a specific group, is it Jewish?... They have their own courts and schools.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9187039)

Not when in response to being called a bigot, seems quite tame in comparison.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9187039)

Not when in response to being called a bigot, seems quite tame in comparison.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9187057)

How about "hypocrite"? Where does that fall on the snowflake spectrum?

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9187050)

Oh come on you're a regular on here. How about all the times that comment is thrown at anyone who says that don't support mass immigration - so that makes them a bigot does it. As I said perception and agendas.

I have no issues with Jewish culture as I don't see it being rammed down our throats or blatantly disrespecting our equality laws.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9187039)

Not when in response to being called a bigot, seems quite tame in comparison.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9187102)

If a bigoted remark has been made then yes I've seen people being accused of bigotry, just because you don't accept the terms of the definition it doesn't make it so, your example of mass immigration is one issue... there are literally 100's of examples of remarks which have had 'PC' or 'SJW' pinned to them across many topics.

Did you miss this?
I only post this as a point of reference you understand.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...others-driving

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9187184)

Bigot isn't a dirty word, you keep trying to make it into an insult so you can create your little safe space but it's not going to work. If someone accuses you of being a bigot then it's down to you to prove them wrong, it shouldn't be difficult if you don't hold bigoted views.

Trying teo make it that calling someone bigoted is different from branding them PC or loony left or any of the other tired catchphrases LT relies on is both hilarious and hypocritical.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9187315)

Ooh it isn't going to work.

It's down to the accuser to prove their allegation, not the accused to prove their innocence.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9187388)

It's not, it's silly to act like Bigot is some forbidden word just because you're scared of being called out as one. It's Serious Debates, defend yourself and your ideals.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9187268)

That rabi is an idiot. First time I have heard of this, but I have heard of it a lot more in another religion.

Is's not just about whether I accept the definition or not it is also about whether a bigoted remark was made or whether the allegation was made based on ignorance, influence of personal opinion or agenda.

You imply that if someone makes an allegation then it must be so. There are so many variables to consider in determining why that person made that remark.

Btw the same also applies with people calling people PC etc - if you want to believe the person throwing allegations around is always right, then it works both ways.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9187468)

As usual you miss the point. I don't much care if you me a bigot because you throw that word around too often, so it has little value - I might care more if it came from someone else.

As for defending myself - read the thread and I think anyone who can read can see I have done exactly that. :nono:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9187506)

Based on ignorance? it's a little more black and white than that you can't be a little bit bigoted and it really isn't down to interpretation as such.
I don't imply anything, there is no real scenario here to compare.

If someone makes a comment that fills the dictionary definition of what a bigot is then where's the harm in calling it out?...
There is less scope for being wrong as the parimetres are more clearly defined.
For a blanket term such as 'PC' first you have to explain what ''PC' means to you, then apply it to the situation.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9187514)

I don't think I've any member on here a bigot in ages so there's no need to lie, Wombai.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9187555)

I have been called a bigot by a particular person for saying I did not support mass immigration - twist it all you like that does not fill the dictionary definition. Assumptions were made by the accuser, as usual, as soon as they heard the word 'immigration'. As I said perception and agenda.