Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9234348)

most great scientists were religious

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9233838)

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9234392)

Its time to delete TiBB

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8508326)

BUT uber have a google spin doctor nw promoting them, she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan. you couldn't make this stuff up..

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9234177)

On the contrary I would say that you are very intelligent, and therefore a prime example that when it comes to something as psychologically and culturally ingrained as religion, a person CAN be illogical, ;indoctrinated... and intelligent.



Or to paraphrase... "It is illogical".

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8508326)

she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8508326)

she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8508326)

she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8508326)

she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8508326)

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9234066)

yes poor discriminated against men, especially the straight white ones, so much hardship and struggle they've had to endure

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9234602)

You made me snort tea ffs. This is becoming a habit :laugh:

The comment about scientists being religious though...erm...don't science and religion kinda clash in many vital areas? I cannot imagine a scientist being overly religious tbh

This thread is actually quite hilarious. And all because of a throwaway comment some guy made.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9234796)

most scientists over history are religious and they see no conflict. it's called faith. do your homework

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9234796)

most scientists over history are religious and they see no conflict. it's called faith. do your homework

Originally Posted by Albert Einstein

The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9234803)

Do yours, you're confusing faith and belief in the possibility of a god with religious observance.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9234804)

Fake news.

Historical scientists generally were publicly religious because society was pretty harsh on "Heretics", and also, because academic institutions were often intertwined with religious bodies and they essentially wouldn't have been able to fund their careers if they were openly non-religious or agnostic.

If you're talking about more modern scientists you are also misinformed. Many have expressed a general belief in a creator / spirituality surrounding "the universe" but, again, endlessly, AGAIN, this is not the same thing as following an organised religion. Belief in an "unknown" god is not necessarily illogical. Following a human religious doctrine is.

You might be referring to the very common misconception that Einstein was a Christian. He was not. This generally comes from his "God does not play dice" type comments. Einstein was an agnostic and having just looked it up, he eloquently states my exact thinking on the issue:



Ultimate :clap1:. Human religions seek to explain a concept that is so far beyond human comprehension that we can't even begin to contemplate it, let alone explain it. Human religion is borne of fear of the unknown, and arrogance.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9234810)

no that's you're form of atheism you're describing

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9234815)

It's a pointless discussion. If you don't have faith then you don't understand what it is

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9234818)

How convenient.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9234819)

No, actually it's tediously inconvenient.

I've mentioned my cousin before... devoutly religious and a physicist at Cambridge Uni. People have actually told me on this forum that he probably isn't really religious, how could he be? Knowing all that he knows. He can't be a scientist and believe in God! He must be stupid... with his silly PhD.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9234348)

most great scientists were religious

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9234822)

You're oversimplifying to put words in people's mouthes again Livia. Belief in god (which is what I would call faith?) and observing and following an organised human religion are not the same thing. The former is not inherently irrational but the latter is.

As I said before, I'll continue to correct you every time you (deliberately...) misrepresent this stance.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9234826)

I always look forward to you poppin on to tell me where I'm going wrong, TS. Thing is, I'm not much interested in your stance. You're FAR more interested in mine.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9234825)

Also, to clarify further, no one is disputing that SOME scientists follow a religion. Who has said that? What is being disputed is "Truth"'s claim that;



Because it is fake news. It is false. It is a lie or a misunderstanding of the facts. Full stop.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9234829)

I'm well aware that you're not interested in my stance Livia, that's evident from the fact that you insist on repeatedly rewriting it in your own words to fit your own worldview and to fit the point that you're trying to make. What is really tedious is having to constantly point out your misquotes :nono:. But I will continue to do so, nonetheless.