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"Opposition is really good in society... Something women seem to be better at than men, is opposing without hatred - mark rylance at the oscars

is this statement in your opinion, true, too generalized or sexist against men?

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Going to be totally honest here and say that, in my experience, it's the opposite. The male and female brain works differently; females (in general, not comprehensively!) involve emotion more in day-to-day reasoning than males do. The result of that is that females are more passionate about subjects they get involved in and believe in, but hand in hand with that, take it more personally when the things they believe in are criticised or opposed.

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is this statement in your opinion, true, too generalized or sexist against men?
A generalisation which I'd imagine is true for him, from his perspective

What do you think?
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It is an odd thing to say, anyone can oppose something without hating it. Hate is a very overused word generally.
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I think the opposite is true. Women tend to hold onto grudges longer than men and can be more vindictive. In today's society the ideal of the peaceful, nurtering Madonna like woman does not compute.
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The male and female brain works differently;
I disagree with this part. We just talked in social psychology lesson that women and men have very little difference when it comes down to brain. I really think these small differences get overrated.

I definitely believe the reason of difference between men and women behaving comes down to society's teachings.
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I disagree with this part. We just talked in social psychology lesson that women and men have very little difference when it comes down to brain. I really think these small differences get overrated.

I definitely believe the reason of difference between men and women behaving comes down to society's teachings.
There is very little difference in the physical structure of the brain; that's not the same as saying that the adult brains of males and females work in the same way. Whether it's down to biology or conditioning isn't relevant when discussing "what is", only when discussing "what can change".

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Going to be totally honest here and say that, in my experience, it's the opposite. The male and female brain works differently; females (in general, not comprehensively!) involve emotion more in day-to-day reasoning than males do. The result of that is that females are more passionate about subjects they get involved in and believe in, but hand in hand with that, take it more personally when the things they believe in are criticised or opposed.

Yep.Once they get a bee in their bonnet.That's it.The world stops until they get what they want
In my experience anyway.


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I disagree with this part. We just talked in social psychology lesson that women and men have very little difference when it comes down to brain. I really think these small differences get overrated.

I definitely believe the reason of difference between men and women behaving comes down to society's teachings.
Could possibly be the different hormones.
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"Opposition is really good in society... Something women seem to be better at than men, is opposing without hatred - mark rylance at the oscars

is this statement in your opinion, true, too generalized or sexist against men?
I think its more a reflection on the fact that more men are in positions of power?
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I disagree with this part. We just talked in social psychology lesson that women and men have very little difference when it comes down to brain. I really think these small differences get overrated.

I definitely believe the reason of difference between men and women behaving comes down to society's teachings.
This is true, however have you studied how the brain actually changes with experiences yet? Basically, HOW you are brought up makes a difference, and females are socialized way differently to males. We are taught to put others first, be more empathetic and so on. From birth babies are treat differently based on if they are male or female. As such, the female and male brains can be different, but it is based on our lifestyles. There is no such thing as a 'male brain' or 'female brain' though, that much is true. And scientists cannot tell a male brain from a female one just by studying it.

I do think hormones may play a part too.

I would agree with jenny on this. Obviously as an overall average rather than individual people though..
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so is what rylance said sexist? if a man had gone on the oscars and said men are better at being empathic than women, all hell would have broken loose with such a generalization
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so is what rylance said sexist? if a man had gone on the oscars and said men are better at being empathic than women, all hell would have broken loose with such a generalization
its the oscars, virtue signalling is part of winning
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This is true, however have you studied how the brain actually changes with experiences yet? Basically, HOW you are brought up makes a difference, and females are socialized way differently to males. We are taught to put others first, be more empathetic and so on. From birth babies are treat differently based on if they are male or female. As such, the female and male brains can be different, but it is based on our lifestyles. There is no such thing as a 'male brain' or 'female brain' though, that much is true. And scientists cannot tell a male brain from a female one just by studying it.
Well that's true and not true depending on what you mean. They can't tell whether it's a male or female brain on autopsy based on the brain structure itself (a "dead brain") but viewing active scans of a live brain with the person performing specific tasks, the gender of the participant can be predicted with some degree of accuracy. Not 100%, obviously, as it's genuinely is much more of a "sliding scale" than being a "one or the other" thing.
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so is what rylance said sexist? if a man had gone on the oscars and said men are better at being empathic than women, all hell would have broken loose with such a generalization
I think he's a bit old to be considered the sexiest for me personally but that's really a choice you have to make for yourself .
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Well, men have had a good run at being in opposition, look at all the wars men have faught in the past - and are fighting currently. Since time began the men have gone off to war and the women have kept the homefires burning and nursed the wounded. It'd be interesting to see how the world would be if women held the reigns instead of men.
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Well, men have had a good run at being in opposition, look at all the wars men have faught in the past - and are fighting currently. Since time began the men have gone off to war and the women have kept the homefires burning and nursed the wounded. It'd be interesting to see how the world would be if women held the reigns instead of men.
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I don't agree with all-female short lists even though men have been in charge for so long women are underrepresented in most fields. I believe in equality and that the best person for the job is the most qualified, regardless of sex. I also don't agree with wild generalisations that all women are one thing, and all men are another. I do think it would be interesting to see whether women would handle international conflict in a different way from men, who've been in the driving seat since time began where war is concerned.

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I don't agree with all-female short lists even though men have been in charge for so long women are underrepresented in most fields. I believe in equality and that the best person for the job is the most qualified, regardless of sex. I also don't agree with wild generalisations that all women are one thing, and all men are another. I do think it would be interesting to see whether women would handle international conflict in a different way from men, who've been in the driving seat since time began where war is concerned.
Completely agree with this...I don't really get how 'woman only shortlists' are considered to be fighting inequality fairly at all. Yes, women are underrepresented in many areas BUT if we just start employing the best person for the job regardless of if they have a penis or not, then this would settle itself out over time. And if it doesn't? Then men are better for the job on average than women. Thats not a tragedy, there are obvious differences between the sexes and it should not be 'controversial' to state this. On average, men will be better at physical jobs that require strength than women are, and so on

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I would say it's an individual thing really, I don't think you can generalise something like that based on gender, it's more a personality trait imo
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I would say it's an individual thing really, I don't think you can generalise something like that based on gender, it's more a personality trait imo
yep so this is sexism against men
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