Originally Posted by thebeast (Post 3511603)

Steve has done well.. well he is a good role model and that.. fighting for our country.. okay he may not be a hero.. but he is a brave honourable person!

However as a housemate.. MEH.

But.. when he is evicted.. he deserves to be cheered!!

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 3511641)

His life outside the house has nothing to do with it.

Did everyone say makosi should be cheered, because she was a nurse? No.

I do not see any reason why, whatever they have done before BB should come into it, we judge them as housemates, and thats it.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3511618)

You were harryrag! :shocked: What about Charliegimbert?

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 3511657)

Well said.

The OP is being disengenuous to say the least. If you wanna criticise his house behaviour then STICK TO THAT. Don't mix it in with stuff about him being a war hero.

Personally I just think he's a dull HM. I don't think he's done anything terrible or disgusting. He's been quite restrained in truth. Too restrained probably.

Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 3511333)

LMAO@this thread. Funny and tragic in equal measures. One thing, when were British troops deployed in IRAN?

Originally Posted by luvJJ (Post 3511644)

Steve walked past a bomb when he was 19 years old. He is now 41. He has overcome adversity, but has also lived off the state and rested on his laurels for 22 years, ie the majority of his life.

In my eyes, a true hero (who was unable to work due to the longstanding effect of injuries sustained as a teenager) would have thrown himself into voluntary work, done something to inspire others, something creative or worthwhile, given his time and experience to a worthy cause, ie achieved something other than spending an army pension and hundreds of thousands of pounds of state benefits on tattoos and working out.

Harsh? Yes.
True? Yes.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 3511060)

This basically, I respect the man for rebuilding and making the most of his life but he is an awful HM.

Originally Posted by luvJJ (Post 3511644)

Steve walked past a bomb when he was 19 years old. He is now 41. He has overcome adversity, but has also lived off the state and rested on his laurels for 22 years, ie the majority of his life.

In my eyes, a true hero (who was unable to work due to the longstanding effect of injuries sustained as a teenager) would have thrown himself into voluntary work, done something to inspire others, something creative or worthwhile, given his time and experience to a worthy cause, ie achieved something other than spending an army pension and hundreds of thousands of pounds of state benefits on tattoos and working out.

Harsh? Yes.
True? Yes.

Originally Posted by luvJJ (Post 3511644)

Steve walked past a bomb when he was 19 years old. He is now 41. He has overcome adversity, but has also lived off the state and rested on his laurels for 22 years, ie the majority of his life.

In my eyes, a true hero (who was unable to work due to the longstanding effect of injuries sustained as a teenager) would have thrown himself into voluntary work, done something to inspire others, something creative or worthwhile, given his time and experience to a worthy cause, ie achieved something other than spending an army pension and hundreds of thousands of pounds of state benefits on tattoos and working out.

Harsh? Yes.
True? Yes.

Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 3511691)

Im failing to see any relevance to big brother or how this thread is in any way constructive it would be better locked.

Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3511696)

Glad to see you looked into his life after his medical discharge from the service.

In fact he would have received a full medical pension, pretty much equivalent to his wages at the time. As was his due.

However since that time he has raised many thousands if of pounds for various service charities including Help for Heroes. As well as organising, running and raising support for his local disabled basketball team he also sailed across the Atlantic raising funds for service charities.

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3518201)

Yep, agreed - Steve was a guy who chose to join the British Army (which I do not believe automatically makes him a 'hero' in itself), and was desperately unlucky. This DOES NOT make him a hero, OR necessarily worthy of any more respect than, e.g. the victim of a car crash. Worthy of sympathy, yes, but respect ? Mm...not sure. Furthermore, I personally do not particularly admire the way he has dealt with what happened to him - ANYONE who chooses to have EIGHT children in this day in age and then call themselves 'Big Daddy' is 1) incredibly selfish and 2) an idiot.
Oh yeah, and he's boring as hell as a housemate - I just hope he doesn't win.

Originally Posted by as90 (Post 3518288)

He is a hero to us British, obviously he won't be to the irish.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3518215)

Anyone who signs up for a dangerous job deserves respect! And as long as he supports his children - it is nobody else's business how many he has!

Originally Posted by MrGaryy (Post 3510843)

There was another thread on this but it got terribly sidetracked and was closed before I got to it so I opened this one to discuss the matter.

First of all, walking past a bomb and getting blown up does not make you a hero. That is an insult to the real heroes of the world. I would consider someone who did something exceptionally brave or someone who is solely responsible for saving another person's life in a crisis a hero. Walking past a barrel does not make you a hero just desperately unlucky.

Secondly, to those who say the fact he joined the forces in the first place makes him a hero as he was risking his life for freedom - he was fighting in Northern Ireland, the troubles were not about freedom they were about power and prejudice. Something which is in a way almost proven by how bigoted Steve has shown himself up to be in so many respects.

Brave for joining the army, yes. A hero, absolutely not.

Originally Posted by erichardse10 (Post 3518314)

I haven't seen Steve claim he was a hero?. He strikes me as a guy thats getting on with being in the bb house?. He's a dull housemate, for sure, but I ceetainly don't think hes claiming to be any hero or anything?

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3526906)

It is EVERYBODYS business when someone decides to have 8 kids - can you imagine what would happen if ALL families decided to have as many kids as this? Have you noticed what is happening to our planet recently? To make a comment like this, you must be really ignorant about the environmental impact of having loads of children - I don't mean to be insulting, it's just basic common sense - my 6 year old understands why huge families are not a good idea in this day and age. (And do you know for a fact that Steve has not claimed government support to help raise all these children? - Though that is not the issue......).

Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 3511672)

so travelling the country talking to seriously injured servicemen helping with their rehabilitation and showing them that they do have a future ahead of them a life that they can rebuild isnt a worthy cause?
your post is at the very least very ill informed not to mention irrelevant to big brother.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3518215)

Anyone who signs up for a dangerous job deserves respect! And as long as he supports his children - it is nobody else's business how many he has!

Originally Posted by toby843 (Post 3518243)

So there seems to be alot of reasons to not call Steve a hero. What would we say is a hero then?

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3527016)

For me, a hero would be someone who risks their life in order to save another (e.g. someone diving in to dangerous water to save the life of another or entering a burning building to save someone's life) or maybe someone who devotes their life to, e.g. finding a cure for cancer or AIDS, or devotes their life to helping those less fortunate than themselves (e.g. Aid workers in war zones), or even an organ donor who saves a life through organ donation would qualify in my book.
Merely signing up for the British Army and being unlucky enough to be involved in a street bombing in Northern Ireland is not enough - if he had saved someone else in the process then I would doubtless reconsider.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3527038)

Do you know why the army were in Northern Ireland? And what about the way he's supported and encouraged other young servicemen disabled by terrorist action? Does that not knock him up a notch or two on your impossibly idealistic scale of what makes a hero? Your posts show a great lack of knowledge about... well, a lot of things.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3527048)

Well lets be honest here, If the British army had never come across the water to Ireland in the first place there would have been no IRA.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3527073)

I espect if we went back decades, you'd be right. I never knew a serviceman who wanted to go to Ireland. And really, if you asked anyone in the street in England what they thought about the Troubles, the consensus would probably be that what the IRA were asking for wasn't unreasonable. It's the way they went about it. Not saying that the Loyalist terrorists weren't as bad. And I acknowledge that the British army did some terrible stuff over the years.

It'd be a great world if we could all make a bit more of an effort to get on and understand each other. Maybe one day, eh?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3527073)

I espect if we went back decades, you'd be right. I never knew a serviceman who wanted to go to Ireland. And really, if you asked anyone in the street in England what they thought about the Troubles, the consensus would probably be that what the IRA were asking for wasn't unreasonable. It's the way they went about it. Not saying that the Loyalist terrorists weren't as bad. And I acknowledge that the British army did some terrible stuff over the years.

It'd be a great world if we could all make a bit more of an effort to get on and understand each other. Maybe one day, eh?

Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3527104)

No, you're absolutely right. In my opinion it started off as a noble cause (and I mean the start, not when they were bombing civilians in England btw) but in the end things had just gone too far to ever go back.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3526980)

This is going to come as a shock to you... but no, it isn't any of your business how many kids he's got. THis is not China.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3527038)

Do you know why the army were in Northern Ireland? And what about the way he's supported and encouraged other young servicemen disabled by terrorist action? Does that not knock him up a notch or two on your impossibly idealistic scale of what makes a hero? Your posts show a great lack of knowledge about... well, a lot of things.

Originally Posted by vivsgirl (Post 3528132)

I would say exactly the same to you. I feel you are both narrow-minded and entirely ignorant about stuff that to most people is basic common sense. We'll just have to agree to differ - I'm not getting into a slanging match. But suffice to say there are more people who seem to agree with me!

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 3510849)

He's never called himself one so its not fair to use it against him. He's a victim and a survivor. Thats enough.

Rebuilding your life physically and emotionally after such a tragedy takes great strength. You cant take that away from him.

But he is still a dull HM.