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Brillopad 10-09-2017 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615255)
I wonder if the same people feel the same in 10 years when the EU is no more.

They are corrupts and thieves

They are Adam. They have certainly exposed themselves as the immature, spiteful, bitter and corrupt idiots that they are. They are the embarrassment.

Underscore 10-09-2017 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9615153)
Why, what's so great about it?

Let me summise:

- Access to the single market
- 43 years of peace
- ERASMUS+ opportunities for students to live and work abroad
- Action on climate change with investment in renewable energies
- European Medicine Agency
- Clean air quality
- International Academic Collaboration
- European Arrest Warrant
- European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development
- EU Export Market (54% of UK goods and 40% of UK services)
- Equal Pay Laws
- Clean Beaches
- The Customs Union
- Cheaper Air Travel
- Fisheries Funding
- Consumer Rights Protection
- Animal Rights Protection
- Infrastructure Funding
- Protected Status for UK foods
- Research Funding
- Biodiversity Strategy
- Cheaper and easier holidays

If you wish for me to elaborate and extend on any points I can.

All or most of this will go. The only way to save at least half of this will be if Theresa May negotiates a good deal (unlikely) or if we have a second ref and the deal gets trashed and renegotiated democratically.

Also I forgot to add EURATOM.

Not all of the EU is bad.

Underscore 10-09-2017 06:08 PM

And I really don't get the mantra that we all need to jump on one boat and get behind Team Brexit, no. Not going to happen. Proof of that was Tories flopping.

I still have my EU flag waving outside my house.

Underscore 10-09-2017 06:08 PM

And before you all scream I'm Labour, I'm not. I'm a Liberal Democrat.

Although I was Tory till Brexit happened :blush:

Brillopad 10-09-2017 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 9615302)
Let me summise:

- Access to the single market
- 43 years of peace
- ERASMUS+ opportunities for students to live and work abroad
- Action on climate change with investment in renewable energies
- European Medicine Agency
- Clean air quality
- International Academic Collaboration
- European Arrest Warrant
- European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development
- EU Export Market (54% of UK goods and 40% of UK services)
- Equal Pay Laws
- Clean Beaches
- The Customs Union
- Cheaper Air Travel
- Fisheries Funding
- Consumer Rights Protection
- Animal Rights Protection
- Infrastructure Funding
- Protected Status for UK foods
- Research Funding
- Biodiversity Strategy
- Cheaper and easier holidays

If you wish for me to elaborate and extend on any points I can.

All or most of this will go. The only way to save at least half of this will be if Theresa May negotiates a good deal (unlikely) or if we have a second ref and the deal gets trashed and renegotiated democratically.

Also I forgot to add EURATOM.

Not all of the EU is bad.

The vote was democratic - trying to overturn that vote because you don't like it is undemocratic.

Denver 10-09-2017 06:36 PM

Have you seen British beaches?

Underscore 10-09-2017 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9615342)
The vote was democratic - trying to overturn that vote because you don't like it is undemocratic.

I never said we should overturn the vote. I said we should have a vote on the deal

Underscore 10-09-2017 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615347)
Have you seen British beaches?

That is not a good enough excuse to scrap regulation about beaches all together.

Underscore 10-09-2017 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615347)
Have you seen British beaches?

And the regulation means the beaches are clean enough to be safe.

Denver 10-09-2017 06:43 PM

They have destroyed so many beautiful countries

Tom4784 10-09-2017 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9615342)
The vote was democratic - trying to overturn that vote because you don't like it is undemocratic.

Where did he say he wanted to overturn it? He just stated it as a possibility.

Also, if there was a second referendum and the public voted against Brexit how would that be undemocratic? It's democracy in motion. Any vote that is decided by the public is democratic, not just the votes that went your way.

You really need to stop telling people they aren't democratic or that they don't respect democracy just because they don't share your views. You only pretend to respect democracy when it goes your way.

Underscore 10-09-2017 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615366)
They have destroyed so many beautiful countries

How :conf:

Underscore 10-09-2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9615369)
Where did he say he wanted to overturn it? He just stated it as a possibility.

Also, if there was a second referendum and the public voted against Brexit how would that be undemocratic? It's democracy in motion. Any vote that is decided by the public is democratic, not just the votes that went your way.

You really need to stop telling people they aren't democratic or that they don't respect democracy just because they don't share your views. You only pretend to respect democracy when it goes your way.

This.

If we voted to Remain on a 52-48 margin, he/she would be totally up in arms and they wouldn't shut up about it.

Vicky. 10-09-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9615342)
The vote was democratic - trying to overturn that vote because you don't like it is undemocratic.

Not a person who voted leave would ever have asked for another vote if the result had been to stay by a small margin mind would they. Of course not :D

Leavers were already asking for another vote before the shock result came in. Farage included :laugh:

Denver 10-09-2017 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 9615399)
How :conf:

By crppling the economy of them

Brillopad 10-09-2017 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9615369)
Where did he say he wanted to overturn it? He just stated it as a possibility.

Also, if there was a second referendum and the public voted against Brexit how would that be undemocratic? It's democracy in motion. Any vote that is decided by the public is democratic, not just the votes that went your way.

You really need to stop telling people they aren't democratic or that they don't respect democracy just because they don't share your views. You only pretend to respect democracy when it goes your way.

We were told back in 2016 there would be a referendum, not a second to ensure the remainers got the result they wanted. Maybe the leavers can demand a third democratic vote if they don't get the result they want.

It isn't democratic to overturn a public vote to get the vote you want. And that is what is happening here. It's you and some other remainers who only respect democracy when it goes their way. That has been demonstrated by the constant whinging from the remainers for the last year and constant demands to redo the vote.

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615436)
By crppling the economy of them

I hope you're not referring to Greece, because that was their own fault. Spending too much and never repaying back, dragging the Euro down with it.

That's Blaironomics for you! :smug:

Denver 10-09-2017 07:11 PM

the unreasonable financial restraints over them

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615444)
the unreasonable financial restraints over them

Such as

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:13 PM

Yeah I'm not saying the EU is perfect, it's too centred on a handful of countries. But the benefits for the UK outweigh the negatives which is why I voted Remain, and I would vote Remain again.

Also the single market is good for our family business so

Denver 10-09-2017 07:14 PM

The amount they have to pay back is totally unreasonable same with Spain and Cyprus no wonder the countries want out

Denver 10-09-2017 07:14 PM

They have stolen so much from the UK and still want billions more

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615450)
The amount they have to pay back is totally unreasonable same with Spain and Cyprus no wonder the countries want out

What countries want out?

Denver 10-09-2017 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 9615454)
What countries want out?

Spain, Greece, France, Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary and Germany will vote out soon as Hitler's daughter is gone

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615452)
They have stolen so much from the UK and still want billions more

As an EU federalist and wanting to see an EU group of states one day this really doesn't bother me, but it isn't nearly as bad as you make out.

Also the benefits of the EU outweigh the negatives in my view. But obviously as a hard Brexitter as I've found out you are this is very different.

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615455)
Spain, Greece, France, Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary and Germany will vote out soon as Hitler's daughter is gone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615455)
Hitler's daughter

:conf:

Also sources please.

In France they voted 65% for a Europhile this year against a raging racist europhobe.

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:21 PM

Also not being funny but a majority of seats in the European Parliament are occupied by pro-EU parties so :conf:

Denver 10-09-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 9615460)
:conf:

Also sources please.

In France they voted 65% for a Europhile this year against a raging racist europhobe.

Just because they voted him in doesnt mean they want to stay in the EU

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615469)
Just because they voted him in doesnt mean they want to stay in the EU

Well if you were such a Eurosceptic you'd vote for Marine Le Pen wouldn't you?

Emmanuel Marcon is a neoliberal, he is literally the EU personified.

Denver 10-09-2017 07:22 PM

France want out because of the open door policy that has killed hundreds of their citizens and Belgium want the same because of the open doors policy

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:23 PM

But you could then argue any sane person would vote for Macron when up against a raging racist looney.

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615477)
France want out because of the open door policy that has killed hundreds of their citizens and Belgium want the same because of the open doors policy

Source again :conf:

Denver 10-09-2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 9615476)
Well if you were such a Eurosceptic you'd vote for Marine Le Pen wouldn't you?

Emmanuel Marcon is a neoliberal, he is literally the EU personified.

She was very bad for the country and they knew that,

The public can force Frexit

The UK did

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615480)
She was very bad for the country and they knew that,

The public can force Frexit

The UK did

David Cameron selfishly called the referendum because of divisions in his own party. We wouldn't be even thinking about Brexit if it wasn't for that.

And you're thinking French people want Brexit, there's no proof they do.

Denver 10-09-2017 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 9615484)
David Cameron selfishly called the referendum because of divisions in his own party. We wouldn't be even thinking about Brexit if it wasn't for that.

And you're thinking French people want Brexit, there's no proof they do.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/04/majo...ndum-citi.html

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615486)

Checkmate

"Fifty-four percent favor holding a referendum on EU membership. However, 72 percent are opposed to exiting the euro to return to the franc,"

Denver 10-09-2017 07:27 PM

You can keep the Euro without being a member

Underscore 10-09-2017 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9615491)
You can keep the Euro without being a member

But if you wanted to leave the EU, I'd imagine you'd want to leave the Euro too. One of the main driving force behind the referendum was so that we didn't have to accept the Euro (even though we were NEVER forced and were a special member in that case)

Denver 10-09-2017 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 9615497)
But if you wanted to leave the EU, I'd imagine you'd want to leave the Euro too. One of the main driving force behind the referendum was so that we didn't have to accept the Euro (even though we were NEVER forced and were a special member in that case)

The public and the Queen would never agree to it

Denver 10-09-2017 07:31 PM

Why get rid of the strongest currency in the world?


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