Well he didn’t beat himself up and get those bruises that’s for damn sure

On a dark and icy night, can you not think of another way someone could get lightly bruises arms and ribs?

With a rope around their neck while two other men were present? Hmmmm I wonder

Explain the rope please

I’m waiting for an entire essay countering what I said :skull:

Who knows - were neck injuries mentioned in the hospital reports? Why did he just keep it around his neck (which somehow got around his neck through his cold weather clothing) for 45 mins after the attack? Why did the bleach not discolour his clothes or burn his skin?

You've been asked repeatedly to substantiate that, and have failed to do so.

No one mentioned anything about neck injuries, well I didn’t at least. The idea of having strangers trying to put a rope around your neck is traumatising tbh. Not to mention being doused in bleach while someone chants MAGA. If you were in his position, imagine people called you a liar

Why would I when the police already did? :smug:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...-cops-13935765

It was really considerate of them to force a rope around someone's neck which has no physical effect on them at all, and to use bleach which is 100% non-corrosive.

Yall really are putting too much of your energy into doubting these police reports. One wonders why other stories aren't approached with such cynicism

Does none of this even sound the least bit cruel? He had a rope put around his neck and had bleach poured over him, corrosive or not. It’s almost as if you condone their behaviour

I think you’re taking your sig a little bit too literally Oliver

At the moment there's only verified proof that he hurt his ribs. His story does seem a bit fantastical.
I just think the most likely scenario if he was attacked is that someone shoved him over, and he embellished things like the rope, the imaginary bleach, the MAGA stuff, and the hockey masks.

That’s a lot of things to exaggerate tbh. Please do not tell me you think he deserved any of this. Would you not worry if that was you in his position? The rope around the neck, the bleach and all that MAGA sh*te

That's the same article that incorrectly reports that his ribs were broken. They cite TMZ as their source that the attack was caught on tape, but the TMZ article doesn't actually say that, only that the building's security camera recorded him walking in with a rope around his neck.

Why on EARTH would Chicago police release images of suspects of interest if they weren't looking to make arrests for the charge?

Like I said, I have doubts over the rope, the bleach, and the MAGA stuff, I think they were probably embellishments to what actually happened. And when did I suggest he deserved it?

What you think is an incorrect report isn’t necessarily true. What more would it take to actually prove to you?

You’re not exactly showing any signs of sympathy and almost passing it off as some kind of joke? You might not have said it (because no one is ever that direct about being cynical) but you sure have said some things to suggest it

Some people are actually heartless I swear. Not even a bit of sympathy despite the evidence to support him

Heartlessness definitely isn’t the problem... there’s be a lot more of an outpouring of sympathy if it was a straight white man...

It’s all an excuse to be cynical and edgy tbh. There would definitely be more support if he wasn’t a black gay man :bored:

What police reports? The victim's statement to the police, or imaginary statements from the police to the public?

Skepticism doesn't require energy. Attempting to substantiate things you know nothing about does, though.

Well it wouldn’t kill you to see it from Jussie’s side rather than your own. You’re entitled to your belief that there was no existing police statement because “TMZ”. The guy legit had a rope around his neck and was doused in bleach. Maybe you should substantiate where he lied

It isn't a matter of what I think. The alleged victim himself says his ribs weren't broken.

A link to the video, or a statement from police that such a video exists.

But the bruises, rope and bleach isn’t enough. With video evidence of the two men? A bit sadistic that you’d want to see the video of the attack but not even show even a shred of respect or support for him.

What is there that substantiates he was doused in bleach?

This is for both you and Dash.

This is not a TMZ report so that narrative is proven false

"Reportedly". You chose a link which can't be viewed in the UK, where does the link for that text lead?

But the bruises and rope was there so the element of certainty is there no? I was considerate enough to screenshot just in case the link would break so some gratitude is in order thank you. I thought it would be more legitimate if the evidence was from Chicago, where it took place rather than the UK :hee:

Oliver you’re reaching now, anymore and you’d snap your arms :laugh:

Like I said, it was a dark and icy night, he could have gotten those bruises slipping over.

I'm grateful for the screenshot, thanks for finding it <3 As I can't access the page, do you know where the link goes that's for the text "scratch him up [...] MAGA country", hon? It might help prove it :)


If he'd have just said some jerk shoved him over, I'd have no doubt. But he was recognised in passing at night time - he's not especially distinctive, a non-fan probably wouldn't clock him in passing if it was dark. Some just shoving him over would explain why the sandwich was unscathed as well. The MAGA and hockey masks were probably just exaggerations. Same with the bleach which had no visible evidence at all.

You are entitled to believe that but you know that this happened but obviously because of some underlying beliefs or whatever opinion you may have of Jussie as a black gay man, you are choosing to play devils advocate. Seriously, stop being so heartless and just show a bit of respect. He didn’t just slip and suddenly had a rope around his neck. Like Matthew said, you’re taking your sig way too seriously

I didn't say the TMZ article was wrong, I said it didn't say what the now-discredited Mirror article claimed it did.

If the police are stating as fact that two men approached Mr. Smollett making racial remarks etc., are we to believe that there is not only video, but audio as well?

It's always about identity with you people, Identity over facts.

Show me an incident where a straight, white man made up a potentially false story about some racist black people beating him up, and I'll prove your prediction wrong

The woman said the man was staring at another man standing outside another entrance to the building about 300 feet away.



Oh well in that case.....

Seriously though, I honestly do understand wanting to wait for the facts before throwing your weight behind something but... that's not what's going on here, and several people seem to be actively trying to come up with theories against the narrative. It's not just "we'll wait and see", is it, if you're actively making it clear that you think it didn't happen. I'm afraid I have to agree that the motivations of several people here seem a bit sinister. If you think there's room for doubt, fair enough say so and then wait for the story to actually unfold... don't say "we should wait for the facts" and then vomit out a load of theories about it being a lie :umm2:.

It’s useless, any evidence or proof that this happened would be completely disregarded.

So the ones who you personally think make it clear it didn't happen are the ones who need lecturing from you, but the ones who definitely make it clear it did happen, are spared?

Another incorrect thread title

can the member please correct it as it is factually incorrect?

No video of attack and i am sourcing the BBC here "No arrests have been made, and police have not found surveillance video of the attack, though they found footage of Jussie walking home with the rope around his neck." bbc WEBSITE