Imagine being backed into like that?:shocked:

He literally brushed passed salah like one does to a Granny in the queue at the coop

:joker:

Not happy with the coins, but the bus is understandable to a degree after listening to Hillsborough songs all afternoon. I don't condone it and rather they didn't, but I understand it. Hillsborough survivors are still committing suicide, so that's off limits for me.

With all the cameras around, there should definitely be evidence of this, and there is also a vid of pep antagonising the Liverpool fans behind him, so lets see everything, and then we can get to the truth.

Alright that's fair. But even if Pep dig antagonise. Coins being thrown, even the a very small chance, is very dangerous. Imagine a plumb hit in his eye.

Lets have some balance here.

And yes, i know, Chelsea fans have form too for all sorts.

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Liverpool fans condemned for vile chants at Manchester United over Munich Air Disaster

Football fans have condemned vile chanting at the Manchester United vs
Liverpool game, featuring references to the Munich Air Disaster.


Videos have emerged on social media displaying two separate incidents of
fans alleged to be Liverpool supporters chanting ‘Munich’ at their north-
western rivals.

United recently commemorated the 60th anniversary of the Munich Air
Disaster in which 23 people died, including eight members of the ‘Busby
Babes’.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...hants-12169697


I give you Liverpool fans....:skull:

Like I said, I completely disagree with it, and mainly for the reasons you state,

I think I've been critical of the fans, so not sure what extra balance you're looking for exactly? .

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Rangers fans

That no clubs are really victims, and every club is as bad as each other. That's the balance

Victims? Dude, c'mon.

Not innocent spectator victims, there have been many. I mean the clubs themselves. Their fans, at times.

You have been acting like Liverpool have done no wrong? And not just this game either.

I need to see these examples, because I've been critical in this very convo. Every other fan base chants sign on, always the victims, the sun was right etc, so no, of course I don't think it's an equal thing.

Not saying I don't have blind spots, but I don't agree with your framing here at all.

You lost me at The Sun. Please don't put in with that revolting scum of a paper!

All im saying, is, bar Hillsborough, and the CL final, Liverpool aint victims.

Turin, 1985.

Every club has had scummy moments

Was Brussels.

Absolutely despicable, but again, there are circumstances that folks aren't aware of. I need to make clear I'm not excusing Liverpool fans here, because they were completely guilty.

Heysel and Hillsborough are disasters that could have happened to any other big English club. Liverpool fans don't sing songs about the Juventus tragedy, and neither do the fans of Italian clubs. Liverpool hold a ceremony every year to remember and mourn them. Juventus aren't ready to accept our apology yet (which is understandable), but we try to make amends.

yes but im not playing the holier than thou card

YOU ARE

:skull:

which is typical Liverpool

quite

Not playing any card, other than the one in your imagination.

Other fans call Liverpool victims, so you need to get your arguments lined up.

It's easy really. Liverpool fans, have been, and can be scum. Just like Utd, City, Chelsea, Spurs etc.

No one has said any different. The difference is the levels that each club experiences it from the other clubs. That's it.

You're acting like Liverpool don't give as good as they get, in the modern era anyway.

No I'm not, dude. I don't get where you're coming from. How many songs do Liverpool have about other teams? The Chelsea history one and that's it. Liverpool fans purposefully sing about the team, not chelsea, united, or city.


How many Liverpool songs do United have?

Without killing anyone...
Murderers
Never the victims
The sun was right
Liverpool slums
Sign on

That's just a few.

Then Chelsea sing some of those, then add on the Demba one (which is actually the perfect footie songs to sing at your rivals).

City didn't used to sing them until the last couple of years

Then even clubs like Villa and Leicester get involved singing the same songs as united and even the demba one which is really weird.

Just pointing out a fact.

The only big club that doesn't really sing them too much is Arsenal, but even that's changed more recently.

That's all I'm saying, not that Liverpool is full of angels, but most teams wheel out the back catalogue, and over time people decide they've had enough.

Liverpool did belt out the Munich song in days past, especially in the 80's, but you grow and you learn. Only kids would go near it today, and they'd get battered in the kop if they tried it.

Brighton v Nottingham Forest 0-0 FT

Crystal Palace v Wolverhampton 2-1 FT

31' 0-1 Traore (Bueno)
47' 1-1 Eze (Olise)
70' 2-1 Zaha (Edouard)