Aha plastic paddys. Sure Boston probably has a higher density of IRA supporters than Ireland.

sry i dont understand u bbz? i'm too yung for u 2 reply to so ya ave to nit pick on my post ignorin my main pnt innit honeyz?

You don't need to try - it just comes naturally! :hugesmile: Poppet!

You are intitled to your opinion, however my opinion is that your opinion is a massive insult to steve ans ALL armed forces, and an insutle to the familes of such, thats all I want to contribute to this thread, now I will read what every one else has contributed to see how many actually agree with your opinion.

Got to love this thread, could I just say most junior ranks in the armed forces do not join up to lay down their lives for others, some believe the publicity about the training, esprit de corps, some join for the wages, its bloody good money for a 17-20 odd year old who has only Jobseekers Allowance to spend. A few join to get away from home. One or two are psychos who want to go out and see what its like to kill someone. Some join up out of family traditions.

Some join to prove themselves. A lot join for the adventure, that notion is soon changed for a lot the first time they have to arm up with live rounds. Saying that for a few the first time they come into contact with the enemy they become addicted to the buzz, its something that cant really be equalled in civvy street.

Steve was simply unlucky, wrong place wrong time, but to suggest he took the explosion for others is extremely naive. The IED was placed in a Nationalist area, the Falls Road was and still is part of the republican heartland in Belfast, no way would they have set off the bomb to take out civilians.

It was there to take out members of the security forces either the Army or the RUC. To show that the republicans still held sway over the area and that the security forces could operate in the area only at their peril. Its a tactic to prove that the security forces dont have total control of an area, and that the terrorists can operate with impunity.

I don't think most are suggesting that guys sign up with the intention of laying down their lives for others - but, when the time comes and they face danger to themselves and others, most do their job to best of their ability and accept the risks facing them!

A lot leave at the earliest opportunity, but many stay, knowing the risks - and that, in itself, is a brave decision, always being aware that today could possibly be your last!

In my book, Steve was brave because he was there doing his job, regardless of his reason for joining in the first place! If he wasn't there, someone else would have to be. And if there were no 'volunteer's - young guys, like those on this forum, would be conscripted to do it! They should be thanking them, not ridiculing them!

Nobody is ridiculing them for being in the army, as I've already said and reiterated, the thread was not to put down his bravery to be in the army and fight for his country, just to make it clear that walking past a bomb at the wrong time and being unlucky does not make you a hero.

Though on the flip side, I don't see why being an ex forces man makes him immune from being a dickhead and doesn't make him immune from dissecting his person. This is what the entire show is about after all.

:nono:To put this into context... 'The troubles' in NI was not a war, the British Government view was that its occupation of NI was neutral - otherwise your War you talk of would have been civil war ...British forces v British people living in NI..... Forces were there to uphold law and order in NI and the right of the people of Northern Ireland to democratic self-determination, so effectively Steve has never fought in a war

Fair enough - being ex forces does not make anyone immune from being a twat!

What makes me see red is when people, and plenty do, start taking the piss out of his disability - especially considering how he got that way!

But I don't think anyone in this thread has taken the piss out of his disability?

I agree with that.

I admire Steve for getting his life back together after his injuries.

However could i just say that most ex forces, myself included are dickheads. You have to be to sign up in the first place knowing that in peacetime we are barely tolerated if not hated. And the only time we are appreciated is when we are needed.

After training and any length of service most follow a regimented way of life, we are opinionated and in most cases we are generally right. We like leching at pretty girls and have been known to make a fool of ourselves over them.

ok I will contribute more to this thread. i do agree with a lot you say here, yes steve was unlucky, but I am sure too he would know the risk of what could happen to him as many others in armed forces and those that choose to join are brave ( and also heros to an extent)

Lets take Steve out of the BB equation, and give a diferent senario for example..
The original poster of this thread is at a function where there are armed forces are being welcomed home, and among them are wounded soliders just like steve, would the original poster feel 'whats all the fuss? and have the same opinion that the soilders are NOT heros?

Another senario Would it have made a difference if another soilder was beside steve at the time he walked past this barrel, and steve pushed him out o the way, staving his life and taking the blast? would that THEN make him a hero to original poster ( as he says what he thinks a real hero is)

Also as many say Steve has not called himself a hero, others have.

Going back to BB those house mates were NOT randomly pick, steve was because of what has happened to him, and I do believe that some of the public would find it difficult to look beyond this and go just by his personality when juding him.

MY very first opinion when steve was picked (so called randomly) and the fact that BB theme was circus, is that why they choose him and I was not sure that I was disgrace at myself for thinking it or disgraced at BB...I mean there was some very strange people in line up in the launch show.

Steve auditioned, got in I dont agree he should win just because of what happened to him, but IMO he is a hero to have suvived what he went through and rebuild his life considering he was 19yrs old when this happened.

Hope I have made sense here.

As a housemate Steve is dull.

I want Keeva out next week. Steve out the week after.

Some of the posts in here are ridiculous.

Also, mojonixen is banned for his stupid assumptions and insults in general.

I think you're mistaken. The only housemate who was supposedly chosen at random was Mario. The producers were perfectly clear that the others were chosen by them.

To be totally honest, and I don't meant o be disrespectful, I don't see the point in taking this out of the BB scenario, because out of that scenario nobody would think twice about his story and status nor would they know him well enough to bother dissecting it.

So why start a whole thread along the war hero lines? Criticise him for his behaviour in the house. Your judging him for labels others put on him.

Contradiction much.

Lol.

Steve has done well.. well he is a good role model and that.. fighting for our country.. okay he may not be a hero.. but he is a brave honourable person!

However as a housemate.. MEH.

But.. when he is evicted.. he deserves to be cheered!!

You were harryrag! :shocked: What about Charliegimbert?

Oh my god. You are entirely missing the point that I keep making. The thread is not about him as a person. But if you haven't noticed, many people are justifying his horrid behavior towards Keeley and just general unpleasantness by labelling him a 'war hero' and some have even used that as a reason why he should stay even though he's clearly a pointless housemate. And his fellow housemates are clearly scared to nominate him because they think he's perceived as a hero, besides Ben the only one with enough sense to see past the surface. The point of the thread was to say - actually no, he's not a war hero therefore there is no reason what so ever to keep him there.

If there is one thing he is not, it's a role model. He's behaved terribly in there, nothing he's done in that house should be admired or looked up to. I don;t see why he should leave to cheers as opposed to anyone else.

His life outside the house has nothing to do with it.

Did everyone say makosi should be cheered, because she was a nurse? No.

I do not see any reason why, whatever they have done before BB should come into it, we judge them as housemates, and thats it.

Steve walked past a bomb when he was 19 years old. He is now 41. He has overcome adversity, but has also lived off the state and rested on his laurels for 22 years, ie the majority of his life.

In my eyes, a true hero (who was unable to work due to the longstanding effect of injuries sustained as a teenager) would have thrown himself into voluntary work, done something to inspire others, something creative or worthwhile, given his time and experience to a worthy cause, ie achieved something other than spending an army pension and hundreds of thousands of pounds of state benefits on tattoos and working out.

Harsh? Yes.
True? Yes.

Well said.

The OP is being disengenuous to say the least. If you wanna criticise his house behaviour then STICK TO THAT. Don't mix it in with stuff about him being a war hero.

Personally I just think he's a dull HM. I don't think he's done anything terrible or disgusting. He's been quite restrained in truth. Too restrained probably.

Yes it was me (MojoNixon). I did not even remember this account anymore. You mods don't have to worry and remove my message, i don't use this account anyway anymore. I was banned until 24.7.2010. AND i won't create any new accounts with false IP (unlike some shabby fan does). And just wanna thank some moderator for calling me stupid.